you already had this discussion where you were thoroughly debunked astner, why bring it up again?
Cthulu has concept way superior than Dark Multiverse
Originally posted by MrMind
azathoth sits above the infinite space time, creating outer gods and multiverses by merely dreaming. he's above space, time, archetypal concepts, existence and non existence, duality.those outer gods he creates include Yog-Sothoth, who himself embody all there is and isn't, he contains infinite numbers of dimensionless, limitless beings. these outer gods can control anything below them as they see fit. the lowest of these outer gods sees infinitely layered worlds/possibilities/impossibilities as nothing more than marballs game without rules
all of existence will perish when azathoth wakes, as all will be azathoth again.
there are few beings in all fictions that can match azathoth, maybe the writer or overvoid from dc, few others from anime or chinese xianxia novels, but certainly no one from marvel
Originally posted by MrMind
you already had this discussion where you were thoroughly debunked astner, why bring it up again?
Originally posted by Galan007
You can't use Ostrander's rendition of Morrison from an entirely different issue to try and diminish what Morrison's avatar represented under Morrison himself. That's like me using showings from F4 #319 to try and diminish pre-retcon Beyonder.
You can certainly infer what the character should be capable of, but that's a poor substitute for actual feats at best.
Originally posted by MrMind
why would he needs feats when he is literally the writer himself
Originally posted by MrMind
the actual representation of all dc writers from in story perspective, who wrote all dc comics in it's entirety
Well, he”s not the representation of all DC writers. Grant says as much in the comic itself.
I”m kinda torn on how to view the Grant Morrison avatar as far as being a “Supreme Being” is concerned. In the context of whatever comic he”s writing, he can write his real world self in as an omnipotent force, but how do we compare that to something like the Presence/Source? Even in Morrison’s view, I”m not sure the RW writer avatar would be seen as “superior” to the Overvoid, given it is meant to be the blank canvas upon which “The Writer” is able to conceive of and create this world in the first place. Furthermore, one Writer avatar does not have total license/control over the entire DC Omniverse (I.e. Grant could not write himself into a comic slapping the Presence unless he was given the power/authority to by the RL DC creators). It”s not the same as something like TOAA being the representation of Stan Lee, because Stan Lee has supreme power/authority across ALL of Marvel.
While I disagree with pretty much every argument Astner made in that thread, I do agree that just because Morrison can insert himself as a supreme/omnipotent force in a specific story, it doesn”t necessarily make him omnipotent in the same sense as a character like Azathoth or The Presence. I”m not sure even Galan believes that is the case, as there is no way this could possibly be a stalemate if we”re assuming Grant has the same power/authority in this fight as he does in the Animal Man comics. And if he doesn”t...there isn”t really a way to quantify him anyways.
Looking back at the thread it's interesting that Galan dismisses Suicide Squad #58 because Grant Morrison didn't write it, and Flex Mentallo because it was a Vertigo imprint rather than a DC imprint despite being written by Morrison.
Either way, from a technical standpoint the Writer (the character) is canonically dead. And as far as I'm aware Morrison hasn't even mentioned the character in any other work, from which a meaningful relation to the Overvoid could be made.
