Originally posted by MrMind
slade is superior to them both, but even slade can't outfeats bruce
You know, there was a time when I would've agreed with you.
But now? After Bats sodomized Slade several times already and it has almost become a new DC tradition?
Slade may not even be Robin level these days.
depends, loses to batman is his middle name but other times he has insane feats
plus ikon suit is standard equipment nowadays isn't it?
idk...he was really impressive in his n52 solos run, you'd think with all his showing against high level metas he would never have trouble with batman but here we are
maybe batman has really gotten that good
I always thought n52 slade is more impressive than p52 slade despite having less feats. p52 slade was just walking PIS, on a good day he can take down heralds (see identity crisis), on a bad day he gets stalemated by streets
I mean he didnt even outperform dick in batman's suit that one time in titan book
Originally posted by MrMind
plus ikon suit is standard equipment nowadays isn't it?
Not really, no.
Unless you want to argue that the Ikon suit doesn't do a single thing to protect him from getting stabbed in the face.
Be my guest and say so, I'll gladly bump all the threads with Ikon Slade vs. guys with swords, spears or claws 😉
Originally posted by MrMind
depends, loses to batman is his middle name but other times he has insane feats
He's had lots of exposure in recent years and got some feats, yes.
But... back in the day... Post-Crisis Slade beat the living shit out of Bruce in their first encounter. Now that was impressive, some even argued that Slade wasn't at 100% at the time.
Originally posted by MrMind
idk...he was really impressive in his n52 solos run, you'd think with all his showing against high level metas he would never have trouble with batman but here we are
I don't know. Batman performs admirably against high lv metas, too.
Originally posted by MrMind
maybe batman has really gotten that good
He always has been.
I doubt he's gotten much better, since a loser like one-armed KGBeast raped him (before Bruce cheated and used the batgrapple).
As good as Bats is, DC always tried to remind us that he can't handle combatants who are both very skilled and have sufficiently enhanced physicals in melee combat without resorting to equipment or tricks.
Originally posted by MrMind
I always thought n52 slade is more impressive than p52 slade despite having less feats. p52 slade was just walking PIS, on a good day he can take down heralds (see identity crisis), on a bad day he gets stalemated by streetsI mean he didnt even outperform dick in batman's suit that one time in titan book
N52 Slade seemed to be far more reliable on exotic one-arc-only equipment, though?
80s-90s slade was fighting the entire teen titans, there was a reason comic fandom calling slade walking PIS 10 years ago
things def changed after n52, I'd say he's written consistently to the level where he's supposed to be, not doing things out of his capabilities
but yeah I agree DS stocks has def dropped over the years, another example is Cassie
batman def has gotten way better after n52 though, or else you wouldn't see those dozens scans darksaint constantly posting around lol
the other dc street that has gotten considerably better is Jason
idk, I'm not familiar with street levelers
Good post.
Disagreed on the Batman getting better part, at least not skill-wise (though having his whole body healed/rejuvenated def made him better physically, even if it messes up the muscle memory at first, same with the Punisher), but you seem right about the rest.
It was easy for Jason to get better, as he didn't have too many appearances to begin with and he got more training.
Less said about Cassie, the better.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except we see the beams halfway towards Batman.
But, what if Batman saw his eyes glow before the shot was fired giving him a chance to dodge? Or what are you trying to say? Batman is FTL? If so, why does he need a car? I mean are you saying that he's as fast as Jay, or maybe Barry? What was the point of the laser showing?
I was asking DS what about his perspective. But now that you mentioned this, and fully acknowledge that reaction speeds, and travel speeds are different, I'm hoping that in the future when someone states that when a particular green brute was able to nail a speedster square on the jaw to disrupt an attempted speed blitz, that your position doesn't suddenly change.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sentry wasn't trying to dodge anything in his fight against WWH.He even wanted to get hit, so he could lose control and go all out.
It's still a good feat that Hulk was able to react, but not any different from Superman getting anally raped by random bricks every week or so.
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Originally posted by Stoic
But, what if Batman saw his eyes glow before the shot was fired giving him a chance to dodge? Or what are you trying to say? Batman is FTL? If so, why does he need a car? I mean are you saying that he's as fast as Jay, or maybe Barry? What was the point of the laser showing?
Yeah, pretty much what Stilt said. But to elaborate:
If Batman saw the eyes glow, then dodged, we are basically saying Superman saw Batman dodge, and then went "ah, phuck it, I'm committed now", and continued firing at the spot where Batman had jumped from.
Even if he did so, the art does not support this. The beams are mid page, flying towards Batman. Superman is explicitly bloodlusted, and trying to burn Bats.
The point of the showing is that it is a high-end feat, that I am using to prove that writers don't give two hoots about Batman being 'peak human'. Batman does what Batman does.