Mr. Immortal vs Thanos

Originally posted by Galan007
Totally different future here.

In the future shown in HOTMU(which does seem to be *the* future of 616, given that the entire story is geared around, and references issue numbers from, canon 616 issues), Franklin and Galactus are the last beings alive in Marvel... And at the end Franklin seems to become Galactus and creates the next cosmos.

*This series of events was also foretold in Hickman's FF as well.

there's only one multiverse in marvel, there's only one eighth cosmo, seems like no matter if it's 616 reality, at the end of time TOBA Hulk will be there to absorb the sentience of eighth multiverse

Except that's not what happened in HOTMU, therefore we're talking about two separate futures.

In one future TOBA/Hulk destroys everything(including Galactus and Franklin.) In another future Galactus and Franklin are the last two being alive, and go on to create the next cosmos.

Originally posted by Galan007
Except that's not what happened in HOTMU, therefore we're talking about two separate futures.

In one future TOBA/Hulk destroys everything(including Galactus and Franklin.) In another future Galactus and Franklin are the last two being alive, and go on to create the next cosmos.

I get what you are saying, what Franklin in HOTMU is capable of cannot directly apply to the Franklin in immortal hulk

however it is true Franklin gets more powerful as time goes on

Right.

But my point is: we don't know how powerful Franklin became in the Immortal Hulk future. The scene from HOTMU is not applicable, as it is technically a different version of Franklin from a different future.

TOBA also killed Franklin two billion years ago, so It’s clearly not the same Franklin you posted the scans to demonstrate his power

never said it's the same person, it's still billions yeaars in the future

and future adult franklin will always be more powerful than current kid franklin

not that it matters anyway, TOBA is literally a reflection of TOAA, his possessed hulk form destroyed a multiverse

certainly not the likes of Franklin or Galactus can comprehend.

Maybe Franklin was powerless in that universe/future. Maybe it was Marvel Zombies' Galactus. Maybe toba simply depowered them. We don't know what happened, do we?

We don’t. That’s all that was said and shown

not that it matters

it was very much the writer's intention, implying TOBA is the exact equal opposite of TOAA

It does as we don’t know the full context. There’s a difference from general writer statements to what is shown in the comic. It’s far to early to accurately say

The TOBA is set to return shortly so hopefully we see more from him shortly

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Maybe Franklin was powerless in that universe/future. Maybe it was Marvel Zombies' Galactus. Maybe toba simply depowered them. We don't know what happened, do we?

the eighth cosmo is the current marvel multiverse, the one franklin and owen created after secret wars, TOBA Hulk destroyed it.

Originally posted by MrMind
the eighth cosmo is the current marvel multiverse, the one franklin and owen created after secret wars, TOBA Hulk destroyed it.

As discussed already that was a different future timeline

Originally posted by -K-M-
It does as we don’t know the full context. There’s a difference from general writer statements to what is shown in the comic. It’s far to early to accurately say

The TOBA is set to return shortly so hopefully we see more from him shortly

that's fair, but you gotta admit it's very heavy implication

TOBA is below everything, the absence of God, the shadow of God, creation's secret reflection, a hell beneath all others, the lowest point, etc etc

https://imgur.com/a/OnEwIRy

they even used the example of Thaumiel the opposite of Keter, the dual contending forces of God

Originally posted by -K-M-
As discussed already that was a different future timeline

there is no different future timeline... if the whole multiverse is destroyed. the multiverse include all timelines

Originally posted by MrMind
that's fair, but you gotta admit it's very heavy implication

TOBA is below everything, the absence of God, the shadow of God, creation's secret reflection, a hell beneath all others, the lowest point, etc etc

https://imgur.com/a/OnEwIRy

they even used the example of Thaumiel the opposite of Keter, the dual contending forces of God

Again we don’t know. It’s all speculation. How many real “Devils” have popped up in Marvel for example. Each one says their the real deal and each time it’s revealed to be false

Could it be true? Sure. But hasn’t done anything power wise on panel in the current timeline other then his brief clash with Hulk and his feat that is set billions of years in the future which we have zero context about.

Originally posted by MrMind
there is no different future timeline... if the whole multiverse is destroyed. the multiverse include all timelines

Yes there is. In one future timeline Franklin and Galactus survive and restart the universe after the end of the old one. That’s what Galan already brought up

Originally posted by -K-M-
Again we don’t know. It’s all speculation. How many real “Devils” have popped up in Marvel for example. Each one says their the real deal and each time it’s revealed to be false

Could it be true? Sure. But hasn’t done anything power wise on panel in the current timeline other then his brief clash with Hulk and his feat that is set billions of years in the future which we have zero context about.

Yes there is. In one future timeline Franklin and Galactus survive and restart the universe after the end of the old one. That’s what Galan already brought up

real Devil of Marvel? only one TOBA, the name itself indicate as much

you do get a buncha low level hell lords like Satan, Mephisto, Hela etc

anyway I'm not gonna get into the future timelines debate, marvel future timelines are alternative universes, so there are endless possibilities of how the multiverses gonna end which is super gay