Originally posted by ares834In GOA we see sidious start lifting the pods. That immediately segways into the movie where he's actually throwing the pods-
We don't see him throw the pods only lift them. At which point we see Yoda jump directly to Sidious. The events of the script can easily follow from there. There is no contradiction.
And since Yoda didn't disarm Sidious in that scene, it means he wasn't disarmed at all.
Originally posted by Galan007Sure but like I said to ares- that doesn't mean Sidious was disarmed.
These days I do think Palpatine is intended to be a better swordsman than Yoda, if only by a very narrow margin. However, I also understand the reluctance to accept the canonicity of GoA... To a certain point.That said, I do not believe that Palpatine randomly decided to start hurling Senate pods at Yoda for the lulz -- I think that once he got some breathing room, he wanted to try and keep it that way. Palpatine may have been a [marginally] better swordsman, but the cramped quarters of a damn Senate pod would have undoubtedly favored Yoda's size and style.
Originally posted by Sheev
In GOA we see sidious start lifting the pods. That immediately segways into the movie where he's actually throwing the pods-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JV2x3p_Qn8&t=2m40s
which is a continuous scene all the way up to Yoda's defeat.
Nope. This is nothing more than your interpretation. As you yourself said:
Originally posted by Sheev
Your feefees aren't canon. Sorry.
Heck, the fact that Sidious isn't holding his saber as well as the fact that Yoda is shown landing after leaping means we are missing something. The script shows us what that is.
So between the time Sidious lifted the pods in GOA, to the time he started throwing them in the movie, you believe that Yoda jumped back up into the pod Sidious was standing in, disarmed him, then jumped back down to the lower pods to make it easier for Sidious to hit him (for some illogical reason)?? Lol, yeah that makes a lot of sense. 😬
Yoda was very clearly jumping from lower pod to lower pod to make it more difficult for Sidious to target him with the pods he was about to throw. He's not just going to stand in one place and wait to get smashed.
But the notion that Sidious was disarmed at some point between lifting the pods and throwing them makes no sense, and actually does contradict the script. Because in the script there was NO lightsaber exchange between them once Sidious started moving the pods around, because he had already been "disarmed" by then. If you're still trying to use the script to validate your argument, you can't change its series of events to suit your argument.
Again, in the script Sidious had already been disarmed by the time he started moving pods around, but in GOA he still has his saber just before he throws the pods-
https://i.imgur.com/pIAogaC.jpg
Hence a contradiction between new canon and old canon. And new canon is what we go by.
Again the Junior Novelization which was re-released with the Disney brand explicitly has Yoda disarming Sidious and also says Sidious has gotten more powerful with the rise of the Dark Side and the fall of the Jedi.
I'm fine using GoA for events outside of the context of the films, but it very regularly contradicts the movies when there are scenes within the movies ESPECIALLY with duels. It has Yoda running alongside walls and smiling while dueling Dooku when the movie never shows that.
The GOA episodes are much more recent then the junior novel. The most recent information is what we go by. That's why TCW season 7 retcons Ahsoka;s fight with Maul from her novel for instance.
I agree that GOA is only canon when it doesn't directly contradict the movies. And in this case it does not directly contradict the movies, because Sidious was never shown to be disarmed in the movie..
Originally posted by Sheev
So between the time Sidious lifted the pods in GOA, to the time he started throwing them in the movie, you believe that Yoda jumped back up into the pod Sidious was standing in, disarmed him, then jumped back down to the lower pods to make it easier for Sidious to hit him (for some illogical reason)?? Lol, yeah that makes a lot of sense. 😬
Sure.
Originally posted by Sheev
Yoda was very clearly jumping from lower pod to lower pod to make it more difficult for Sidious to target him with the pods he was about to throw. He's not just going to stand in one place and wait to get smashed.
At the end of GOA he is shown jumping directly at Sidious.
Originally posted by Sheev
But the notion that Sidious was disarmed at some point between lifting the pods and throwing them makes no sense, and actually does contradict the script. Because in the script there was NO lightsaber exchange between them once Sidious started moving the pods around, because he had already been "disarmed" by then. If you're still trying to use the script to validate your argument, you can't change its series of events to suit your argument.
Once again your "feefees aren't canon". The script does not mention he only beings lifting pods after being disarmed. We don't see the entire duel in the script. There is no reason why he could not have lifted or even thrown several pods at Yoda prior to being disarmed.
Originally posted by SheevI understand where you're coming from, and I agree with some of your points. Like you, I also believe that GoA is canon so long as it does not sharply contradict the films.
Sure but like I said to ares- that doesn't mean Sidious was disarmed.
That said, I do think Palpatine is intended to be the better overall swordsman, but I also think the difference between he and Yoda was negligible at best. That is to say: the battle could go either way depending on the environment they are fighting in.
Imo, Palpatine would have the slight advantage on open ground... But in the extremely confined space of a Senate pod, Yoda's smaller size and acrobatic fighting style would obviously favor him, and potentially negate any skill advantage that Palpatine may have had.
So even IF Yoda disarmed Palpatine during their fight, it does not preclude the notion that Palpatine could still beat him in a different, more neutral setting.
Originally posted by Lord StarkAgreed
Again the Junior Novelization which was re-released with the Disney brand explicitly has Yoda disarming Sidious and also says Sidious has gotten more powerful with the rise of the Dark Side and the fall of the Jedi.I'm fine using GoA for events outside of the context of the films, but it very regularly contradicts the movies when there are scenes within the movies ESPECIALLY with duels. It has Yoda running alongside walls and smiling while dueling Dooku when the movie never shows that.
Originally posted by Sheev
Your feefees aren't canon. Sorry.Same reason he put his sabers away against Maul and clowned him with the force instead.
Neither are cartoons. Nothing is higher canon than the movies.
Except he couldn't dominate Yoda with the Force like he could Maul. Sidious looked scared when he lost sight of Yoda during their duel.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWLike I said earlier- I completely agree that GOA isn't canon as a whole. It's is only canon where it doesn't contradict the movies.
Yes.It can be described as "semi-canon" or "canon-adjacent", perhaps, and I'm being really generous here.
Originally posted by PsychotronRight, and when did we SEE Yoda disarm Sidious in the movie?
Neither are cartoons. Nothing is higher canon than the movies.
Your opinion is not applicable here, nor are Legends sources. I'm asking when Sidious was shown to be disarmed ON SCREEN, since the movies are the highest form of canon like you said.
Originally posted by PsychotronSidious had the "Oh F*ck" look on his face several time before and after Yoda disarmed him.
Neither are cartoons. Nothing is higher canon than the movies.Except he couldn't dominate Yoda with the Force like he could Maul. Sidious looked scared when he lost sight of Yoda during their duel.
I knew that before anyone confirming anything!!!
Mace Windu is the greatest swordsman.
Force powers, I wouldn't count him out of that area either.
Mace was trained by Yoda. He wasn't second to Yoda for light saber skill alone?
Com'mon guys Mace was second to Yoda in everything Force powers where also included with that title of Master of the Order. While Yoda held Grand Master.
Lol, juyomaster. Blast from the past. 👆
Anyway, it's worth noting that The Star Wars Book states: "Yoda is widely considered the greatest Jedi duelist, although he rarely showcases this talent."
The same source also states: "Mace Windu is second only to Master Yoda in lightsaber prowess, wisdom, and respect among his peers."
So per the aforementioned guide(which was released just after the source referenced in the OP), Yoda > Mace as a swordsman.
srug
