Mace Windu confirmed as the Jedi Order's greatest swordsman

Started by Scizard6 pages

Agreed.

I think people need to stop relying so heavily on Source book quotes and Matt Martins tweets.

Use them as supporting evidence sure, im not saying ignore them. But remember theres no Lucas involved anymore whose every word was gospel. And when Favreau writes a Luke fight scene, I really doubt he confirms with Pablo exactly how skilled and powerful he is first. The story group is only there to keep a level of consistency in continuity.

Sourcebook quotes are 100% canon/valid in the new system, so they are perfectly acceptable. The issue is when we get conflicting information in different canon sources.

I do agree that Tweets from the storygroup really aren't "canon" in and of themselves, and should generally just be used to corroborate existing, published material(I'm pretty sure Matt Martin said as much in a Tweet, lol.)

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The story group is only there to keep a level of consistency in continuity.

No it's not. Apparently, continuity is just "small aspect" of the story group. Which explains why they ok'ed RJ's hyperspace ramming....

Originally posted by Darth Thor
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Use them as supporting evidence sure, im not saying ignore them. But remember theres no Lucas involved anymore whose every word was gospel. .

His word wasn’t really gospel either, authors didn’t have to go by what he said. Plus he contradicted himself anyway.

Originally posted by ares834
No it's not. Apparently, continuity is just "small aspect" of the story group. Which explains why they ok'ed RJ's hyperspace ramming....
They didn't just ok it. They fully embraced it:
https://ibb.co/2njm1Dx

lol.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
His word wasn’t really gospel either, authors didn’t have to go by what he said. Plus he contradicted himself anyway.

Because they didnt usually know what Lucas rules were. But they did try to keep to whatever retcons hed make.

Originally posted by ares834
No it's not. Apparently, continuity is just "small aspect" of the story group. Which explains why they ok'ed RJ's hyperspace ramming....

Assuming they actually had the power to veto that.

Oh, of course they don't. However, RJ has claimed that he asked the story group if it broke canon and they said it didn't. Even if they don't have the power to veto it, they could at least have told him that it would be problematic.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sourcebook quotes are 100% canon/valid in the new system, so they are perfectly acceptable. The issue is when we get conflicting information in different canon sources.

The fact that there are conflicting sources (as you pointed out released on the same day) kinda shows theyre not set on stone.

As I said I wouldnt throw them out the window, but personally wouldnt take them as gospel either.

Originally posted by ares834
Oh, of course they don't. However, RJ has claimed that he asked the story group if it broke canon and they said it didn't. Even if they don't have the power to veto it, they could at least have told him that it would be problematic.

Maybe they did, but I doubt they would admit that.

Its like if the Presidents team are advising him against stuff behind the scenes, but when asked about it theyll justify what he did. Claim they had his back the whole time.

I suppose Rian could by lying, but I hope he has more integrity than that.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The fact that there are conflicting sources (as you pointed out released on the same day) kinda shows theyre not set on stone.

As I said I wouldnt throw them out the window, but personally wouldnt take them as gospel either.

Tbf, retcons can happen at any time -- if a sourcebook released in 2015 says one thing, and a sourcebook released in 2016 says another thing, then the most recent information is what we go by. It is an extreme rarity/outlier to have sources released on the same day conflict like these do, so I wouldn't use this isolated instance as the sole basis to invalidate sourcebooks across the board... Especially when both books were delayed due to COVID(like all the other material was), and almost certainly not originally slated to be released at the same time.

Everything is equal in Disney canon, so officially licensed/published sourcebooks hold just as much validity as any other form of media. That being said, I personally do hold sourcebooks in the same 'tier' as anything else, unless(as I mentioned above) they are contradicted by more recent material.

Hidalgo cares far less about sourcebook accolades than the next cheeseburger he's eating. Even SuperShadow midichlorian counts managed to be posted under his nose.

Originally posted by Galan007
That being said, I personally do hold sourcebooks in the same 'tier' as anything else

Originally posted by Jaggarath
Hidalgo cares far less about sourcebook accolades than the next cheeseburger he's eating. Even SuperShadow midichlorian counts managed to be posted under his nose.
it's funny because Pablo writes, co-writes, or is consulted for most of the source books.

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
it's funny because Pablo writes, co-writes, or is consulted for most of the source books.

This make it even more ridiculous. Hidalgo is a lazy **** who doesn't really care much about what he writes (or what he copies from legends sourcebooks). Chee is the only member of the story group that actually cares.

Originally posted by Jaggarath
Even SuperShadow midichlorian counts managed to be posted under his nose.

😂

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, juyomaster. Blast from the past. 👆

Anyway, it's worth noting that The Star Wars Book states: "Yoda is widely considered the greatest Jedi duelist, although he rarely showcases this talent."

The same source also states: "Mace Windu is second only to Master Yoda in lightsaber prowess, wisdom, and respect among his peers."

So per the aforementioned guide(which was released just after the source referenced in the OP), Yoda > Mace as a swordsman.

srug

Yeah,most definitely a blast from the past!!!
What's up dude!
I see alot hasn't changed,well a lil bit maybe.
I'll catch up with you later.

I knew this without the confirmation.
He is the greatest swordsman in the Jedi Order.