Originally posted by Enzeruit's honestly incredible how there are still people that ignore such huge chunks of context from Invincible.
What is this non-sense? Shazam solos the entire Invincible universe. Massive power level difference between those two universes. Or would Shazam die upon colliding with a planet? Or would he burn to death, if he fought at the surface of the sun?
Originally posted by deathslashit's honestly incredible how there are still people that ignore such huge chunks of context from Invincible.
What context?
It took three top tier Viltrumites to destroy one planet. And even then they needed the help of Space Racer, whose overpowered gun first had to hit the planet and destabilize its core. If that hadn't been done, the Viltrumites would have died upon impact.
Now I don't know about you, but I don't see any +mid herald dying upon colliding with a planet.
Any high herald solos the entire Invincible universe. If you believe otherwise, then you have never read Invincible comics. And I've read them all. Awesome art, cool characters, absolutely amazing fight scenes... but in terms of power the most powerful of them are all low heralds at the very best (and I'm being very generous here).
Originally posted by Enzeru
What context?It took three top tier Viltrumites to destroy one planet. And even then they needed the help of Space Racer, whose overpowered gun first had to hit the planet and destabilize its core. If that hadn't been done, the Viltrumites would have died upon impact.
Now I don't know about you, but I don't see any +mid herald dying upon colliding with a planet.
2.Thaedus said that they could die, not that they would.
I shouldn't have to explain the importance of proper reading comprehension, but just in case you're missing the very clear difference between these two things:
could
/kood/verb
past of can
used to indicate possibility.
"they could be right"would
/wood/verb
modal verb: would; modal verb: wouldstpast of will, in various senses.
"he said he would be away for a couple of days"will
/wil/verb
modal verb: willexpressing inevitable events.
"accidents will happen"
"N-no. But the guy that had never once blown up a planet and was significantly weaker than Mark and Nolan said that they would need five people (possibly six if Oliver hadn't been taken out) in order to bust one planet and was immediately proven wrong."
Please tell me that that isn't actually your argument.
Originally posted by Enzeruyou clearly didn't pay any real attention then. Earlier you brought up the Sun as an example of them being weak in spite of the fact that it's a written in weakness:
Any high herald solos the entire Invincible universe. If you believe otherwise, then you have never read Invincible comics. And I've read them all. Awesome art, cool characters, absolutely amazing fight scenes... but in terms of power the most powerful of them are all low heralds at the very best (and I'm being very generous here).
Also, massive kek at "any high herald soloing". We've seen what happens when acknowledged high herald fight Viltrumites. They're roughly even. Omni-man broke even with Supreme and Mark literally shrugged off punches from Solar Man:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/14/147508/6319434-invincible%20feat%20durability%20%2853%29.jpg
who is stated by Word of God to be around Supreme's level:
Solar Man? 😂
Gasp and awe, Mark destroyed Solar Man.
You know, the high herald everyone is talking about.
Supreme vs Omni Man was clear cut PIS. Gladiator also fought evenly with Supreme, and he flies through planets and suns without taking any damage at all, something no Viltrimite is capable of. Not even Thragg.
Originally posted by cdtm....Erik Larsen stated that Solar Man is Supreme's peer. Meanwhile, Kirkman himself referenced the Supreme fight. Just because you don't like it, that doesn't make it PIS.
Solar Man? 😂Gasp and awe, Mark destroyed [b]Solar Man
.You know, the high herald everyone is talking about.
Supreme vs Omni Man was clear cut PIS. Gladiator also fought evenly with Supreme, and he flies through planets and suns without taking any damage at all, something no Viltrimite is capable of. Not even Thragg. [/B]
Also, while we're on the subject, can you show me where it's stated or proven that no Viltrumite can fly through a planet unscathed?
Because its PIS, makes it PIS.
I hate Supreme and love Invincible (And have read the entire series), yet can't ignore the fact they simply don't have the feats to back up those crossovers.
May as well argue Wolverine is above Lobo tier. Or Wonder Woman can't take a little lightning. Or Thor can give Superman a close fight, as if someone who spent the last decade bending over can have a remotely good showing against one of the premier high heralds.
Crossover feats are banned for a reason.
Originally posted by cdtmtranslation: " I-It's PIS. Trust me. C-crossover feats are banned. It doesn't matter that this feat is canon per Word of God, it's not canon. Dud trust me."
Because its PIS, makes it PIS.I hate Supreme and love Invincible (And have read the entire series), yet can't ignore the fact they simply don't have the feats to back up those crossovers.
May as well argue Wolverine is above Lobo tier. Or Wonder Woman can't take a little lightning. Or Thor can give Superman a close fight, as if someone who spent the last decade bending over can have a remotely good showing against one of the premier high heralds.
Crossover feats are banned for a reason.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
That scan is not saying the sun is a weakness for Viltrumites, though.
Is that directed at me?
No, a sun was never stated as a weakness. Which means Thragg and Mark burnt all of their skin off the old fashioned way.
As opposed to Gladiator, who swims through suns for sport (As Thor used to do, in days of old)
Originally posted by Adam Grimesit says that extreme heat over long periods of time can destabalize their molecules and are potentially dangerous. This is why Mark managed to shrug off a nuke but not an extended fight on the surface of the sun.
That scan is not saying the sun is a weakness for Viltrumites, though.
Originally posted by deathslash1. I get really tired of people saying that they [b]needed all of the help to pull off that feat. Thaddus was going entirely off of guesswork. The destruction of a planet is never once mentioned before this fight and Thaddus clearly calls for Allen and Tech-Jacket to help him (which is immediately proven to be a gross overestimation seeing as how Omni-man, Mark and Thaddus pulled it off on their own not even two seconds later).[/B]
On their own, huh?
https://i.imgur.com/r3ogzHO.png
We see the laser beam flying towards the planet to hit and stabilize it with the three Viltrumites following it closely and trying to time their attack. Why time it? So that they wouldn't die upon impact, if the core manages to restabilize itself.
All of that aren't just some random words like you try to sell it in a second. All of that is there for the plot. To increase the tension and the sakes. And it establishes the power level of these characters. If these characters fly at their max speed and collide with a planet, they most likely die.
Originally posted by deathslash2.Thaedus said that they [b]could die, not that they would.[/B]
I mean, you're being biased and you're trying to completely negate any ill effects, if they don't manage to bust through the planet. You try to make it sound like they just wouldn't die, because there is a "could". To me it sounds as if dying is the worst case scenario, with them shattering all of the bones in their bodies being the luckiest outcome for them. Don't be biased.
I shouldn't have to explain the importance of proper reading comprehension, but just in case you're missing the very clear difference between these two things:
Originally posted by deathslashyou clearly didn't pay any real attention then. Earlier you brought up the Sun as an
That's like saying that Superman is weaker than humans because a lifeless glowing rock can kill him. I guess Wonder Woman is also weaker than Colossus because bullets can hurt her.
So sun is a Viltrumites weakness... and then also blunt force trauma as we've seen it many times through out their run. Viltrumites rip, tear and bleed far, far, far faster than any average +mid / high herald level character in comics. What Viltrumites have going on for them is a great healing factor.
Again, all to increase the tension and drama in Invincible. But that automatically establishes the power level of these characters. They are not as durable as your average Superman character. And if you honestly want to suggest that Invincible punching Superman would inflict the same type of damage he was inflicting to characters like Conquest and Thragg, then... you clearly need to read some more comics, mate.
Originally posted by deathslashAlso, massive kek at "any high herald soloing". We've seen what happens when acknowledged high herald fight Viltrumites. They're roughly even. Omni-man broke even with Supreme and Mark literally shrugged off punches from Solar Man:
Savage Dragon performed as well as Invincible against Solar Man. Is Savage Dragon now also a high herald?
Just because one characters doesn't get immediately split in half by another character, doesn't mean that they're on the same level. It means that the other character is holding back. Solar Man was holding back as much against Savage Dragon as he was holding back against Invincible.
LOL @ comparing Omni-Man to Supreme. That's like comparing Superman to Venom during their crossover:
https://i.imgur.com/d8uepGm.jpg
Originally posted by MrMind
You are low balling image universe as a wholeSupreme beats the shit out of Sentry👆
And you shut your pesky little hooker mouth or else.
