Yoda vs. Mace Canon

What does canon say about these two? As of rots, who takes it?

Mace is considered the champion of the order, who "seemingly" beat Sidious according to SW data bank.

The grand master of the order for likely centuries. Star Wars Galaxy of Adventures clearly states Yoda being unable to defeat Sidious in a lightsaber duel.

I'm not saying it's end all be all, but what does the new canon say about these two specifically?

Yoda is more powerful, he wins.

Well Mace is the superior swordsmen so.. Mace.

Mace being better in technical skill means little when Yoda is just more powerful.

"There were many famous Jedi throughout the years. The wisest and most powerful Jedi of all was Grand Master Yoda."

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Yoda of course lol

Originally posted by Darthadi
Mace being better in technical skill means little when Yoda is just more powerful.

"There were many famous Jedi throughout the years. The wisest and most powerful Jedi of all was Grand Master Yoda."

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That said, I would probably give Mace the nod against Yoda in sabers. Yoda takes Force and all-out, though.

I'd still give Yoda the nod against Mace in sabers. Vaapad is probably not going to give him an advantage against the champion of the light like it would against Sidious.

There is canon material putting Yoda and Dooku above Windu in sabers but apparently there is more recent canon material putting Windu above even Yoda..which I don't accept at all.

So I say Yoda is still the top dog.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I'd still give Yoda the nod against Mace in sabers. Vaapad is probably not going to give him an advantage against the champion of the light like it would against Sidious.

But I agree that Mace > Yoda in sabers. Yoda > Mace in the others.

Originally posted by Sheev
Vaapad doesn't seem to work that way in canon. It's basically just Juyo with no underlying "meta" ability.

But I agree that Mace > Yoda in sabers. Yoda > Mace in the others.

Mmm toss-up then. Both of them disarmed Palpatine, but Sidious also wasn't using his preferred form. I'd also argue Yoda faced a more powerful Sidious.

I seriously don't think it's implying purely technical skill. Yoda > Mace just seems like ignoring the new facts. I would prefer Yoda > Mace too but just seems like bias to me.

"There were many famous Jedi throughout the years. The wisest and most powerful Jedi of all was Grand Master Yoda."
Journey to Star Wars: The Last Jedi - The Power of the Force

Yoda is stated to be more powerful and the new quote doeasn't contradict this. That guidebook is about lightsabers so it's very likely the quote is only about technical skill.

Mace was stated to be the "greatest swordsman" of the Order. Yoda was stated to be the "most powerful" of the Order. So in a saber duel, Mace should win. In an all-out setting, Yoda should win.

As mentioned above, this is really no different than Vader being placed above Palpatine in sabers.

I suppose augmentation could give Yoda an edge but it seems extremely pointless to give Mace the accolade of being the finest swordsmen if he wouldn't be the best in a duel. How would you even figure that out, it's not like Jedi just casually stop using the force to augment their abilities and I don't see why you would even word it like that anyway. Do you think the author actually thought about technical skill verses all out?

There's also a quote that states Yoda's saber skills are unequaled but clearly that's outdated so I can easily see the 'most powerful' sources also being outdated. Although the Vader point is pretty good. It's pretty clear that Palpatine > Vader all out.

I can agree with your points but it would be nice if someone of the story group could clear it up. I feel like the average reader would intepret that as "Yoda is the most powerful in the force" and "Mace is the best duelist" 😬

I think the all out would be in Yoda's favor because he could spam TK and such at Mace.

In new canon Mace has almost no noteworthy TK feats.

Mace wrecks.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
There is canon material putting Yoda and Dooku above Windu in sabers but apparently there is more recent canon material putting Windu above even Yoda..which I don't accept at all.

So I say Yoda is still the top dog.

Interesting. Do you have quotes/sources? This is pretty much the reason why I made this thread 🙂.

It was stated in the Official Star Wars Fact File #60 that Yoda was #1 and Dooku was #2.

It's hard to find scans though I know people have them they're just sitting on them.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
It was stated in the Official Star Wars Fact File #60 that Yoda was #1 and Dooku was #2.

It's hard to find scans though I know people have them they're just sitting on them.

Is that still considered canon? When I Google it the date is from 2003. Am I looking at something else?

There is two volumes the one I mentioned was from the 2nd volume published in 2015.

So I think those are canon.