Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes Stilt, please clarify.Are you allowing future versions? Thanks.
No future versions or alternate Earths.
Aquaman has less strength feats than Thor, that's why I'm giving him the access to all of his feats from Pre-Crisis to current era, but he still needs to stick to his mainstream version, no Elsewords or any dubious stuff.
Thor's feat - even if it indeed is 616 - is VERY dubious.
Marvel introduced plenty of future Thor versions to us... and Marvel 2099 is supposed to be the one real future...
And Thor arm-wrestled Hercules before and it was nothing like this.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No future versions or alternate Earths.Thor's feat - even if it indeed is 616 - is VERY dubious.
Marvel introduced plenty of future Thor versions to us... and Marvel 2099 is supposed to be the one real future...
And Thor arm-wrestled Hercules before and it was nothing like this.
This was a higher end feat. Other times they had arm wrestled has no bearing on this one. Faulty reasoning...
The depiction was pretty straight forward. No overt change in character or extra information given that would make them from different universes.
The only hang up "ages hence" and then coupled with other poetic descriptions, obviously to differentiate this planet from earth.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No future versions or alternate Earths.Aquaman has less strength feats than Thor, that's why I'm giving him the access to all of his feats from Pre-Crisis to current era, but he still needs to stick to his mainstream version, no Elsewords or any dubious stuff.
Thor's feat - even if it indeed is 616 - is VERY dubious.
Marvel introduced plenty of future Thor versions to us... and Marvel 2099 is supposed to be the one real future...
And Thor arm-wrestled Hercules before and it was nothing like this.
Thanks, Stilt.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Future as in alternate. This was designated as 616.This was a higher end feat. Other times they had arm wrestled has no bearing on this one. Faulty reasoning...
The depiction was pretty straight forward. No overt change in character or extra information given that would make them from different universes.
The only hang up "ages hence" and then coupled with other poetic descriptions, obviously to differentiate this planet from earth.
Nope
Wolverine worked for Landau, Luckman, and Lake company.
They had some pretty awesome interdimensional teleportation tech.
Which means we could theorize that every crossover ever involving Wolverine was canon.
See, celey? Two can play this game.
You believe it's 616, fine. But we know that Thor and Herc fluctuate in power a lot (even when mere decades in real time pass, let alone "ages and ages" in comics) and we have no idea how big the planet was, other than it being in a terrible state and deserted.
And the other times we saw Thor arm-wrestling, it had no such repercussions.
I think critically analyzing feats is important. Some analysis is in bad faith. For example, doubting the power levels of Thor and Hercules is just odd.
Are we really unsure that it wasn’t suppose to be classic Hercules and Thor having an awesome arm-wrestle? That perhaps they were Skyfathers? Comics aren’t mystery novels. We don’t need to be explicitly told that Thor/Hercules are NOT powered up. Why we assume otherwise?
Very disingenuous. The other issue is the bar shifts. There’s no set criteria because every feat is contextually different. Superman fans are especially critical, so anytime a feat is posted for Thor/Surfer/Hulk, a spelling error would disqualify it. Nobody really has the energy for the opposite except Carver who barely counts as half a person.
Well it's just that....it's Thor. And it's Aquaman.
Jokes aside, Thor fans should have zero problems finding clear cut feats to support their stance, without needing to waste time on arguments about 'ages and ages' and 'battle scarred planets'.
If it was a punching power thread, Hulk fans would have zero problems.
If it was a running thread, Flash fans have zero problems.
So yeah, let's ignore the Thor/Herc scan and just put another from his nearly 60 years of comics.....
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wolverine worked for Landau, Luckman, and Lake company.They had some pretty awesome interdimensional teleportation tech.
Which means we could theorize that every crossover ever involving Wolverine was canon.
See, celey? Two can play this game.
You believe it's 616, fine. But we know that Thor and Herc fluctuate in power a lot (even when mere decades in real time pass, let alone "ages and ages" in comics) and we have no idea how big the planet was, other than it being in a terrible state and deserted.
And the other times we saw Thor arm-wrestling, it had no such repercussions.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You are coming up with some silly scenarios that arent even needed... As if we dont know depictions of regular Thor/Herc
Lol ure making things more complicated than they should be. I mean come on really?
It was designated 616 as per official handbook. We dont use alternate unis. They werent alternate unis. U say we dont use futures. But this wasnt divergent. The burden of proof is on u to show they werent. Saying dubious is not enuff.
Your only hang up is on "ages ages hence" along with other poetic descriptions (battle scarred, deserted planet, etc.).
And as i said before, the setting was to differentiate this planet from earth because the writer is going to wreck this planet for laughs... Literally.
Now you go off into other silly tangents like size of planet. Bro.... Thats like trollerskates level. U smarter than that.
And then u talk of previous arm wrestling matches that have no bearing on this story. Thats faulty reasoning 101. Do u know how easily that can be turned around on you?
OP thread, OP stips. If you don't like it, make your own with your own stips.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What stips, futures?His future stip is based on alt uni futures..... Which is based on no alt unis as per kmc thread standards. Just pointing out that this was not alt unis.
Well he clarifies on this page that he doesn't want future versions OR alt. Earths *shrug* I don't like it any more than you do but hey, Stilt does as Stilt pleases.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes. If he doesnt want to use this thats fine.
And his thread means he decides.
Just like forum rules say only canon sources - but I am free to make a thread with alt. Universe characters (KC Superman, Worthy Surfer, Maestro etc) . My thread, my stips,
Stilts thread, Stilts stips. Besides, like I said, despite all the jokes, Thor should still have plenty of feats in his 60 year history to use.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think critically analyzing feats is important. Some analysis is in bad faith. For example, doubting the power levels of Thor and Hercules is just odd.Are we really unsure that it wasn’t suppose to be classic Hercules and Thor having an awesome arm-wrestle? That perhaps they were Skyfathers? Comics aren’t mystery novels. We don’t need to be explicitly told that Thor/Hercules are NOT powered up. Why we assume otherwise?
Very disingenuous. The other issue is the bar shifts. There’s no set criteria because every feat is contextually different. Superman fans are especially critical, so anytime a feat is posted for Thor/Surfer/Hulk, a spelling error would disqualify it. Nobody really has the energy for the opposite except Carver who barely counts as half a person.
This is probably the most true statement I've seen written on here in awhile.
Thor has plenty of power feats but they're written in very different ways that for some reason the Superman crowd doesn't accept. Thor is written as a striker. It's what people want to see from the character. You don't read Thor comics to see him lift giant things all the time. You read them to see him hit things with a hammer hard. I mean Thor will hit someone in space that causes shockwaves that crack nearby moons and planets. Yet for some reason this can't be counted to show his strength level here because it's a striking feat.
Which is one of the most annoying aspects of this forum. Especially when the same type of logic is never applied to other characters especially Superman.
For instance the chain feat shows him crashing them together but it's a strength feat entirely in their minds and it should be because that was how it was intended. They never try to make an argument that Superman used his Superspeed and flight abilities to increase his ability to apply pressure to the chains.
Even though that would be as legitimate an argument as trying to say Thor's striking feats don't count as strength feats because of Mjolnir. Like in all seriousness if people applied the same logic to Superman then he could be argued to have no strength feats at all because everything could argued to be an extension of his flight powers. Hey you know that strength feat of Superman, how much of it was physical strength versus his ability to fly adding to it. You can't know for sure. Yet at that point Superman fans would all of a sudden understand writer's intent.
I understand the nature of this being a debate forum where people are looking for every leverage they can to gain traction for their favorite character. I just wish they applied that logic evenly and fairly.
Seriously who here honestly believes Aquaman is even in contention with Thor in strength other than to lowball Thor because you don't want him mentioned in the same tier as Superman?