Thor vs. Aquaman in the arm-wrestling competition.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Mjolnir is a separate character doe.

Also,it's Stilt. Hardly the biggest Superman supporter, you know. I know you've been away for a bit ,but you must remember Stilt isn't a Supes boy.....

Once again though the same logic could be used for Superman and his strength feats really just being flying feats.

Also just because Stilt isn't "the biggest Superman supporter" doesn't mean he isn't applying the same one-sided logic to other characters.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Mjolnir is a separate character doe.

Also,it's Stilt. Hardly the biggest Superman supporter, you know. I know you've been away for a bit ,but you must remember Stilt isn't a Supes boy.....

Newjak can barely remember how to tie his shoelaces.

Philosophía I see you've immediately gone back to insulting my intelligence.

I really shouldn't expect anything less from you though. The man who overvalues his own intellectual superiority to others.

my intelligence

Well now, let's not use hyperbole.

We get it Philo you don't think I'm smart :yawn:

You got anything else to add because in all honesty I just find this attack on me pathetic.

Originally posted by Newjak
See this is exactly what I mean. You've decided any feat featuring Mljonir can't count because it is it's own character. Writer's intent to show Thor's power doesn't matter. You've taken your meta knowledge of the character and constructed an argument to undermine any feats that allow you to apply that meta knowledge ignoring context and writer's intent. 🙄

Once again though the same logic could be used for Superman and his strength feats really just being flying feats.

Also just because Stilt isn't "the biggest Superman supporter" doesn't mean he isn't applying the same one-sided logic to other characters.

Hence the 'doe' ,being semi tongue in cheek.

But yeah, meta knowledge or not, it IS a separate character. Robin doesn't get feats from Batman, Laura X-23 doesn't get Logan's feats, Kilowog doesn't get Kyle's feats, Bart doesn't get Wally's feats.

And sure, if you want we can switch all of Superman's strength into flying. I am the one on this forum who asked if Wally could replicate Superman's feats, as his 'engine thrust' , as it were ,was equal to Superman's (as they both hit the same-ish top speeds). Again, I know you've not been around for a while, but yeah, I've floated that view before.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hence the 'doe' ,being semi tongue in cheek.

But yeah, meta knowledge or not, it IS a separate character. Robin doesn't get feats from Batman, Laura X-23 doesn't get Logan's feats, Kilowog doesn't get Kyle's feats, Bart doesn't get Wally's feats.

And sure, if you want we can switch all of Superman's strength into flying. I am the one on this forum who asked if Wally could replicate Superman's feats, as his 'engine thrust' , as it were ,was equal to Superman's (as they both hit the same-ish top speeds). Again, I know you've not been around for a while, but yeah, I've floated that view before.

You're right we wouldn't switch out Robin's feats with Batman's but if Robin picked up Batman and knocked out a badguy with Bruce's body we wouldn't be saying it was a feat for Batman lol.

Also the way Mjolnir gets written is changed from time to time.

I think the point is that this type of nitpicking generally never gets applied evenly on these forums. Whether that is the case with you or not is irrelevant to the overall point being made. You very well could be the exception to the rule.

Based on what I've seen here I'm not certain of that though.

Originally posted by Newjak
Except we literally have feats where it was the writer's intent to show Thor's strength by hitting something with his hammer.

You're right we wouldn't switch out Robin's feats with Batman's but if Robin picked up Batman and knocked out a badguy with Bruce's body we wouldn't be saying it was a feat for Batman lol.

Also the way Mjolnir gets written is changed from time to time.

I think the point is that this type of nitpicking generally never gets applied evenly on these forums. Whether that is the case with you or not is irrelevant to the overall point being made. You very well could be the exception to the rule.

Based on what I've seen here I'm not certain of that though.

*Shrug* fair enough.

But with regards to the analogy with Robin/Batman, Batman is a sentient character with a mind of his own. And can fight in different ways for different people, depending on how much he likes them. Mjolnir AS WE KNOW IT NOW is sentient and can play favourites.

But yeah. If you aren't convinced, it is what it is. You haven't seen the whole 'hollow planet' arguments we had which lasted months, or World Forger, or dynamic strength (which goes on to this day). Where every single word and panel and piece of art was scrutinized.

But then, like I said, you weren't around.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
*Shrug* fair enough.

But with regards to the analogy with Robin/Batman, Batman is a sentient character with a mind of his own. And can fight in different ways for different people, depending on how much he likes them. Mjolnir AS WE KNOW IT NOW is sentient and can play favourites.

But yeah. If you aren't convinced, it is what it is. You haven't seen the whole 'hollow planet' arguments we had which lasted months, or World Forger, or dynamic strength (which goes on to this day). Where every single word and panel and piece of art was scrutinized.

But then, like I said, you weren't around.

This forum is nothing if not consistent in that regards lol.

Yeah that's what I'm trying to get at. Right now it sounds like it's quite one sided.....but a couple months ago it was swinging the other way. And two months from now, it'll be back again.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah that's what I'm trying to get at. Right now it sounds like it's quite one sided.....but a couple months ago it was swinging the other way. And two months from now, it'll be back again.

I will say you seem more rational then most of them.

Yeah, it's quite tribal on here. But for every abhi, there's an Alberto(who was baziemarc and marcbazie before. Carver, Stoic, JBL.

So it all evens out.

Originally posted by Newjak
To be fair those types of arguments existed well before I left. They were as silly then as I see them now. This includes some of the arguments you mentioned.

This forum is nothing if not consistent in that regards lol.

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not entirely convinced of that. I've known a certain crowd on here that will never change their mind or how they apply their rational in a very one-sided manner.

I will say you seem more rational then most of them.

Originally posted by Newjak

Even though that would be as legitimate an argument as trying to say Thor's striking feats don't count as strength feats because of Mjolnir.

Thor using Mjolnir for striking and not counting as strength feat is apretty ignorant stance.

Mjolnir increases his striking power. Without mjolnir Thor doesn't even has a country level striking feat, forget about planetary.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor using Mjolnir for striking and not counting as strength feat is apretty ignorant stance.

Well tbf ,even ignoring the whole sentient Motherstorm argument, one can strike a LOT harder with a hammer than ones fists....

And that's ignoring that it's a magical uru hammer

With a galaxy sized mother storm inside it.

With an enchantment not even the premier Skyfather can break.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well tbf ,even ignoring the whole sentient Motherstorm argument, one can strike a LOT harder with a hammer than ones fists....

And that's ignoring that it's a magical uru hammer

With a galaxy sized mother storm inside it.

With an enchantment not even the premier Skyfather can break.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No shiet one hits harder with a weapon. I mean really?

Indeed! So how can it all be strength?

If I smash something with a hammer, it's not a pure strength feat. Glad we agree 🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Indeed! So how can it all be strength?

If I smash something with a hammer, it's not a pure strength feat. Glad we agree 🙂

Originally posted by Newjak
Yes but strength plays a major roll. I'm not picking up a hammer and shattering world's with it after all 🙂

If Thor is really that strong, perhaps he should show it without mjolnir. But he was without mjolnir for years and was never shown planetary level.