qwertyuiop1998
The Vampire
Originally posted by Astner
No he doesn't. He says it was the clash between the characters, which is exactly what the comics says.What isn't specified is how much energy was contributed by Orion in this clash (or if it was even notable), and given that Orion had to escape the blast and was portrayed to be significantly weaker than the Golem throughout the story it's a noteworthy point of contention.
This speculation on your part. This is all we see from their initial fight.
If we had seen more of the initial confrontation there may have been more substance to your position. But as it stands it's flimsy and it shouldn't be at the heart of any argument.
I think it counters your first assumption though(I.E, Orion Boom Tubed out before he was hit by the star system-blast.)
As you can see from the scans you posted, Orion was at the center of the blast and when Orion boom-tubed from the battle, the star system was already destroyed.
And the writer states that destruction was caused by the collision of Orion and the Golem, I.E, Orion should be at the range of the star system-blast if not the center, no?
Plus, what Orion tried to escape isn't ncessarily is the star system-blast, but rahter, the Omega Beams.
As for how much force Orion contributed, aside from the fact that the writer states it's the collision of the force between Orion and Golem.
In the story, Kyle specifically stopped Orion to engage the Golem in fear of Orion would destrory a star system again....while Hal was fighting the Golem without causing any star system levels desctrution
So I feel assuming the force Orion contributed is not notable a flimsy assumption to say the least
The fight overview.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Put your hate for abhi aside for a moment and let's agree that if you change your mind [or I do], you [or I] will acknowledge it. I know the rest have an agenda, but I know I can talk to you. There's never been [or will be] bad blood between us, so we can go at this rationally. Maybe I, or you, missed something.Agree?
Now, let's look at the issue. I will put this in chonological order.
1). Take a moment and, please, look at it carefully:
a). the Solar System still existing [b]3 seconds
before Hal/Kyle arrive as Orion/Golem are in a blast off in space [we see the blast off and the solar system specifically in panel 1]
b). we see the shockwave from their blast off in space extending and approaching the planet [panel 4/last panel]At this point we have a few facts:
- the solar system is not destroyed
- Orion/Golem are involved in a blast off in space
- there's seconds before Hal/Kyle arrive
I'm sure you agree here.
Let's move on to the next scan:
a). We see Graf [panel 1] feeling the destruction that is taking place on the last panel of the previous page
b). There are 2 seconds left panel 2
c). Orion and the Golem are standing in front of each other continuing their blast off [panel 3]
d). Through Graf's eyes you can see Golem and Orion still blasting each other as he mutters "I'm too late" as the shockwaves expand and take everything[panel 4]
e). 0 seconds left Hal and Kyle arrive.
Facts:
- Throughout this small time frame of seconds, Orion and the Golem are involved in a face to face blast off in space [we see the fight.
- In fact, for every second of this entire scene we see them face to face in a blast off, first through a wide picture of the solar system [not destroyed], then through a close up of them, then through Graf's eyes. This is happening in sequential seconds, in all of them us seeing the fight and destruction.
- we see the shockwaves approach the planets [we see the destruction]
- we have a timeframe [we get the seconds counter
And finally, Hal and Kyle arrive and we see what Graf saw was happening in those few seconds, which is that the solar system was destroyed:
We then see Kyle/Hal after the solar system is destroyed looking in the distance as the fight still takes place..
Only to hear a ping as Orion teleports from out of there engulfed in the energies of their fight:
At this point he is running from the Omega Beams -- i.e. the one attack from the Golem that can truly kill him. [a weapon that he needs to charge]
It is made clear that the Omega Beams are the ones Orion fears:
That is why you see him running -- he fought him off in a blast off [unfortunately for the solar system] until the Omega Beams were charged and then he got one-shotted.
This is quite clear just in case it wasn't, the writer hammers it over the head with Kyle telling Orion not have the blast off with Golem, as it destroyed the solar system last time:
And to top it all of, we have the writer confirming what we already know: Orion and The Golem faced each-other, face to face, in a blast-off in space, in a specified timeframe, with specific solar-system destruction, specifically due to the shockwaves, until Hal/Kyle arrived and the charged Omega Beams hit Orion:
So:
We see the fight [it's them literally standing face to face and trading blasts] through multiple viewpoints [far off, close-up, through Graf]
We see the timeframe [seconds]
We see the shockwaves approaching the planet, we see its destruction felt
We see the solar system go from not destroyed to destroyed, specifically by the shockwaves that are generated specifically by them slugfesting energy blasts
We see Hal/Kyle arriving and seeing the specific spot where Orion/Golem trade off hits, until Orion runs from the OBs.
Now, xJLx, can you honestly tell me that this is not a direct standstill power face off whose after shocks destroyed a solar system in seconds? That Orion in that face off where he stood face to face with the Golem, shown multiple times, until the solar system fell? That Orion stood there and wasn't treated as a bug until the Omega Beams came into place? This won't be conceding to abhi or any shit like that -- you're talking to me.
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