!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Outright said that Roshi have been training for YEARS. Tien did nothing in the tournament.

When did Android 17 do well against a holding back Jiren? Also, Android 17 wasn't weak.

Rephrase, Krillin sparred with a friend.

Trunks was significantly amped. Did you turn the TV off when this show was playing? Honest question.

Everything you said was dog poop 💩 . Try again

no matter how many years Roshi and Tien been training They shouldn't be able to compete with multiverse strongest warriors, it's outright retarded.

Roshi hasn't been relevant since Namek saga
Tien hasn't been relevant after Cell saga

Krillin shouldn't be able to spar with Super Saiyan blue at all, there's no reason to believe Krillin is above even super saiyan 2.

nobody watches DBS twice except down syndrome adults like you. but kudos on remember all the details dumdum

Trunks has an amp from the sword not auto cheat code to give him power 10000 times over.

Vegeta even said Future Trunks lacks training when he first met him in DBS. Trunks was below super saiyan 2 level in Cell saga. Let's say he takes saiyan steroids and train non stop for years, he still shouldn't be anyway near Merged Zamasu level -who is above blue goku and vegeta

Android 17 was below Super Saiyan 2 level in Z, let's say he takes super android steroids. He still shouldn't be anywhere near Jiren in terms of power, even if it's a drained Jiren after fighting MUI Goku. 17 should've gotten oneshotted.

the gap should be astronomical, yet we see this kind of ass pull again and again. no wonder any intellegent adults don't take Dragon Ball power level seriously.

Originally posted by carver9
He beats Hulk and HP Doomsday.

HP Doomsday shoves Krillin up TOBA Hulk's ass

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Jiren was holding back against android 17?

He held back the entire tournament until he face MUI Goku. Jiren could have soloed finished the entire tournament as soon as the bell rung and no one could've done anything about it.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Could it be more interesting to start at the top of the dragonball power heirarchy and work our way down?

So zeno = ? In power/feats from comics

Once we solve for ? Then we can ask if there's anyone in comics who could replicate his best feat(s).

To me lucifer morningstar would beat both zenos at the same time, and i dont think he's the weakest character to do it.

Once we have a cosmic from marvel/dc to contend with zeno we can take the angels next and ask if they have power equivalents. Then the gods of destruction.

To me this will either show db characters are weaker than they seem or alternatively the gap between noncosmics and cosmics in db in a much smaller margin than in comics.

you don't need even close to lucifer level to oneshot zenos and solo db verse

someone like zero hour hal or chaos king could easily do it

Originally posted by MrMind
no matter how many years Roshi and Tien been training They shouldn't be able to compete with multiverse strongest warriors, it's outright retarded.

Roshi hasn't been relevant since Namek saga
Tien hasn't been relevant after Cell saga

Krillin shouldn't be able to spar with Super Saiyan blue at all, there's no reason to believe Krillin is above even super saiyan 2.

nobody watches DBS twice except down syndrome adults like you. but kudos on remember all the details dumdum

Trunks has an amp from the sword not auto cheat code to give him power 10000 times over.

Vegeta even said Future Trunks lacks training when he first met him in DBS. Trunks was below super saiyan 2 level in Cell saga. Let's say he takes saiyan steroids and train non stop for years, he still shouldn't be anyway near Merged Zamasu level -who is above blue goku and vegeta

Android 17 was below Super Saiyan 2 level in Z, let's say he takes super android steroids. He still shouldn't be anywhere near Jiren in terms of power, even if it's a drained Jiren after fighting MUI Goku. 17 should've gotten oneshotted.

the gap should be astronomical, yet we see this kind of ass pull again and again. no wonder any intellegent adults don't take Dragon Ball power level seriously.

Nothing you said made sense and didn't counter a single thing I said

derp

Originally posted by CosmicComet
MUI Goku is more powerful than Beerus, who is casually universal while suppressing himself greatly.

that means MUI Goku is below the likes of Guardian Amped Prime, RKT or Herald Thor

around the same level as classic Odin

Lmao Odin's b.itch ass isn't destroying an infinite universe, higher layers included (afterlife) with a tiny fraction of his power like Beerus could.

Goku got hundreds of times stronger throughout DBS and it wasnt until the very end that he was considered to surpass Beerus.

Mr. Mind... your nickname should be flip flop master. Youre so inconsistent. All over the place. Think you are doing this because i like DB.

Mr Mind giving CD a run for his money.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Lmao Odin's b.itch ass isn't destroying an infinite universe, higher layers included (afterlife) with a tiny fraction of his power like Beerus could.

Goku got hundreds of times stronger throughout DBS and it wasnt until the very end that he was considered to surpass Beerus.

He was never considered to surpass Beerus.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Lmao Odin's b.itch ass isn't destroying an infinite universe, higher layers included (afterlife) with a tiny fraction of his power like Beerus could.

Goku got hundreds of times stronger throughout DBS and it wasnt until the very end that he was considered to surpass Beerus.

ok god of destruction can destroy universe, that makes them universal, I'll give them that there are at least statements to back it up,

MUI Goku isn't that far above beerus at full power, he should be universal as well

GA SBP destroyed universe earth 15 and survived universal destruction of
earth 51 caused by monarch

Odin and Seth fight shaked the fabric of the multiverse and shattered galaxies, way better collateral damage than Beerus and Goku fight

or when he ripped 10th realm from world tree and sealed it in a hut, where each realms were stated to be universes

this is how skyfathers are, Odin, Trigon, DC Zeus etc all have powers to destroy the universe if they choose.

Herald Thor defeated an amped Galactus, Galactus has feats to prove him to be multiversal as well

like I said at best MUI Goku is between Odin and Herald Thor/GA SBP level

Jiren at the bottom of his power along with U.I Goku shook the world of void just by standing there and the world of void is infinite in size.

Originally posted by cdtm
But scaling in Dragon Ball [b]isn't logical.

Its all over the place.

When Akira Toriyama can't even work out an internal hierarchy of power, whereby common humans are suddenly competing with Super Saiyans one moment, and overshadowed the next, it's a leap in logic to just assume upgrades have any meaning outside of the franchise. People who power scale speed, strength, durability ect are literally plucking numbers out of mid air, if not relying on his fictional "math" known as Power Levels.

This is why feat based approaches are preferable, because it has universal meaning. If Roshi busts a galaxy at PL 400, then he busted a galaxy, no matter what the "Power Level" numbers" say. [/B]

Moon-busting(with effort) can be accomplished with a PL of 180 (ie. Roshi)
Moon-Busting(casually) can be accomplished with a PL of 329 (ie. Piccolo)
Planet-busting(with effort) can be accomplished with a PL of 18,000 (ie. Vegeta)
Planet-busting(casually) can be accomplished with a PL of 530,000 (ie. 1st form Freeza)
Solar system-busting(with effort) can be accomplished with SS2-level power (ie. SPC)
Solar system-busting(casually) can logically be accomplished with SS3-level power.

It wasn't until DBS that true galactic/universal powers were introduced... But there's NO need to get into DBS scaling at this point, because people are still dodging the SAIYAN SAGA, ffs. 😂

Regardless, powerlevels and logical scaling definitely helps fill in some gaps, even if it's not always a perfect system. Take Krillin, for example: he has obviously never destroyed a planet, but based on his stated PL and logical scaling, we know that it was easily within his ability to planet-bust as far back as the Namek saga. IOW, even though Krillin hasn't actually destroyed a world on panel, we still know that he irrefutably can.

This is when the entirety of DB being written by the same guy for the last 30+ years becomes so important.

Consistency is the key, yes.

I actually agree with everything Galan is saying.

It's mostly the power scaling nerds who try and multiply power amps into absurd multiverse busting levels that I start having a bit of a problem.

This especially applies to unrelated stats, like speed. It's assumed they get faster as they get stronger, yet their actual speed feats ars very slim.

At least compared to a Flash.

Originally posted by cdtm
I actually agree with everything Galan is saying.

Originally posted by cdtm
It's mostly the power scaling nerds who try and multiply power amps into absurd multiverse busting levels that I start having a bit of a problem.

Nobody does that.

Originally posted by cdtm
This especially applies to unrelated stats, like speed. It's assumed they get faster as they get stronger, yet their actual speed feats ars very slim.

How speed is not related?

It's a well-known fact they do get faster as they get more powerful, hence why they can't be seen by inferior fighters.

Originally posted by cdtm
At least compared to a Flash.

You want to talk about Flash's average of getting raped by talking apes?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Nobody does that.

How speed is not related?

It's a well-known fact they do get faster as they get more powerful, hence why they can't be seen by inferior fighters.

You want to talk about Flash's average of getting raped by talking apes?

Krillin seemed to see Goku Blue well enough.

"But he was holding back."

And yet he was still blue.

If he was really holding back that much, he never would have transformed.

Glad to see you are scared of focusing on the core canon, which is the original manga series.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Glad to see you are scared of focusing on the core canon, which is the original manga series.

You mean where Master Roshi dodged Jiren?

"But he was holding back!"

The most convenient excuse for Dragon Ball fans. Even if the story doesn't say a thing about it, any and all instances of a character underperforming must be them holding back.