Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThe amount of stupid shit I've said in my first few years would probably be quite the long list.
I remember when you tried to argue once that Galactus' armor was more durable than Cap's shield vinThat wasn't your good day, lol.
Originally posted by Galan007This is not the thread but, imo, Cap's shield is pretty overrated.
I'm ignorant of the shield's higher end feats. Has it soaked planet-busting energies in the past?
Originally posted by PhilosophíaSo I take it you think Vegeta's Galick Gun would break the shield apart?
The amount of stupid shit I've said in my first few years would probably be quite the long list.This is not the thread but, imo, Cap's shield is pretty overrated.
If so, then how would it do against, say, the SBC Piccolo shot at Raditz, iyo?
Originally posted by Galan007I'm not sure, but I'd say most of the stuff that is above/around planet-busting should break the shield, imo. Piccolo's blast in particular, being a focused beam that is considerably above moon busting should definitely be able to. I think the best field it has is Thor only denting it when he had the Odin-Force [but at that point he wasn't that good with it, iirc] but we later have King Thor breaking it, then the Serpent. I'm struggling to even think of many good feats for the shield, tbh. I think in general it's not about the shield's feats in themselves, but about the alloys general feats.
So I take it you think Vegeta's Galick Gun would break the shield apart?If so, then how would it do against, say, the SBC Piccolo shot at Raditz, iyo?
Originally posted by Galan007thisis ridiculous. never picked up on that before.
Worth noting that post-zenkai Vegeta(who was >> Nailccolo) was the only one capable of perceiving/reacting to Freeza's beams at the time:
Yet just a page or so later, Vegeta couldn't even perceive/react to Freeza's movements:
IOW, Freeza's combat speed was even greater than his beam speed. 🙂
frieza's death beams were so fast that piccolo (w. nail absorbed) couldn't even see them, but Vegeta could. then frieza himself moves so fast that not even vegeta could see him. and frieza was only using like 1% of his power at the time.
i really dont know how people can deny that db characters were fighting above light speed.
Originally posted by Philosophía👆
I'm not sure, but I'd say most of the stuff that is above/around planet-busting should break the shield, imo. Piccolo's blast in particular, being a focused beam that is considerably above moon busting should definitely be able to. I think the best field it has is Thor only denting it when he had the Odin-Force [but at that point he wasn't that good with it, iirc] but we later have King Thor breaking it, then the Serpent. I'm struggling to even think of many good feats for the shield, tbh. I think in general it's not about the shield's feats in themselves, but about the alloys general feats.
I was curious about the SBC, because it was capable of punching a hole straight through Raditz, who [logically] tanked a moon-buster from Piccolo earlier in the arc.
What about a cutting attack, like a DD from Saiyan saga Krillin?
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXTbf, Freeza was likely using 3% power at the time. 😛
and frieza was only using like 1% of his power at the time.
Originally posted by Galan007i don't think krillin could damage the shield until probably after the namek arc.
👆I was curious about the SBC, because it was capable of punching a hole straight through Raditz, who [logically] tanked a moon-buster from Piccolo earlier in the arc.
What about a cutting attack, like a DD from Saiyan saga Krillin?
Tbf, Freeza was likely using 3% power at the time. 😛
i thought the anime said he was only using 1% power at first? 😕
Originally posted by PhilosophíaFair.
It depends how you see Wolverine's claws compared to the DD. And if you assume that Wolverine's claws operate at "straight through Gladiator/Thanos" every time, even against Cap [which is where the variance in writers from comics comes into play]
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXAfter Namek? Krillin's PL during the Namek saga was 75,000 "and still rising", and his Disks at the time were capable of slicing through 2nd form Freeza. I can't imagine the shield soaking them.
i don't think krillin could damage the shield until probably after the namek arc.i thought the anime said he was only using 1% power at first? 😕
I think the anime said something like that, yeah... But it doesn't make sense. 4th form Freeza's PL=120m. 1% of that is only 1.2m... Which would only be equal to the PL of his 2nd form. 2% of his power is 2.4m, which is likely right around the PL of his 3rd form. 3% power makes sense, as that would give Freeza a PL of 3.6m, and put him massively above his other forms(along with everyone else on the field that the time.)
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
thisis ridiculous. never picked up on that before.frieza's death beams were so fast that piccolo (w. nail absorbed) couldn't even see them, but Vegeta could. then frieza himself moves so fast that not even vegeta could see him. and frieza was only using like 1% of his power at the time.
i really dont know how people can deny that db characters were fighting above light speed.
Doesn't Piccolo start reacting to him when Goku's building up that Spirit Bomb?
Sure, he only gets his ass kicked, but he does actually see and react to him.
Originally posted by Galan007
We don't know exactly how long it took Boo to charge the second blast. Seemed like just a few seconds, but sure, that is still enough time for speedsters to try something, if they blitzed him right at the onset.The casual earth-busting handblast Boo fired just before that, however? I have my doubts that the League would blitz him into oblivion before he could release something like that.
...Especially since the Leaguers almost certainly wouldn't go into this expecting Boo to nuke the planet immediately. Not even Goku and Vegeta(who had personally fought pretty much every version of Boo beforehand) anticipated that.
Pretty much. If Buu uses his most powerful attack, and the Leaguers go with THEIR most powerful attacks, Leaguers would win.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
MMH might be able to mind**** Kid Buu just because you cant have a NLF but Aquaman definitely cant.Babidi couldn't even control good buu, let alone the mindless kid buu. And he could easily control Dabura, a super perfect cell level demon. I.e. a solar system buster.
MMH PLUS Aquaman together. MMH alone is a good bet, but hey, I like overkill.
Originally posted by Galan007
That's anime.In the manga Boo manifested the energy ball in one panel, then threw it a few panels later... And that was the 'charged' energy ball. The first [earth-busting] energy blast, however, was conjured/fired within a single panel.
Do they ever have any stats on how long it takes to charge their attacks up?
Originally posted by Philosophía
I don't think anybody in the JL besides Superman and Flash can perceive Kid Boo moving. So J'onn's TP won't even come into effect, unless Flash is fast enough to lend him speed in an attosecond that reaches his level which is...eh. Their only hope it for Flash to use WW's lasso and steal his soul.
Originally posted by cdtmNah.
Doesn't Piccolo start reacting to him when Goku's building up that Spirit Bomb?Sure, he only gets his ass kicked, but he does actually see and react to him.
Piccolo absorbed the ki of Gohan and Krillin, then cheapshot kicked Freeza while he was distracted.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Exact stats? No, not really.
Do they ever have any stats on how long it takes to charge their attacks up?
It also depends on the type of attack being used. All-out blasts and whatnot typically require some kind of charge time, whereas more casual blasts can be released almost instantly.
Originally posted by carver9Piccolo wasn't following Gotenks as he was circling the earth. He just flew to Gotenks' location after he stopped.
Piccolo kinda kept up with him in this scene. He was slacking behind and it looked as if he used all of his power doing so but he did it.
LordGod, Gotenks is one of the staple feats. It takes light about a second to circle the globe, and Gotenks did it in about 30 minutes.
This judging by the fact his fusion was almost at an end when he confronted Buu.
Of course, he claimed he took a nap. This could be true, or a boast. And he may have been toying with Piccolo. That doesn't change the fact going around the world several times within 30 minutes is the best we can make from that feat.