Biden promises more warmongering if elected

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Surt, there isn't anything I can tell you that you haven't heard before. You know perfectly well what Trump has come under fire for saying and doing with regards to brown people, and [b]I know perfectly well that you will not object to any of them so long as a racist motive is plausibly deniable. I'm not interested in wasting time rehashing these points in order to try and prove that Trump isn't virtuous; it's a futile pursuit, and to begin with, I don't even care about the answer to that question. I only care about the candidates' character insofar as it is likely to inform their actions and rhetoric.

I will say this, though: for the most part, I expect both candidates to act in solidarity with their party (Biden particularly); and, for the most part, I expect the parties to try to act in a manner that appeals to their respective bases. 'Brown people' have a much stronger presence in the Democratic party (in terms of both voters and representatives) than the Republican party, so I'm honestly comfortable predicting that Biden will be a more 'pro-brown people' president than Trump (whose incentive is to court the alt-right) on that basis alone. [/B]

I know the main thing, which is the rapists thing. Which was about criminals coming over the border illegally, not all mexicans.

Other than that I can not think of any specific policy, etc. targeting mexicans.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Surt, there isn't anything I can tell you that you haven't heard before. You know perfectly well what Trump has come under fire for saying and doing with regards to brown people, and [b]I know perfectly well that you will not object to any of them so long as a racist motive is plausibly deniable. I'm not interested in wasting time rehashing these points in order to try and prove that Trump isn't virtuous; it's a futile pursuit, and to begin with, I don't even care about the answer to that question. I only care about the candidates' character insofar as it is likely to inform their actions and rhetoric.

I will say this, though: for the most part, I expect both candidates to act in solidarity with their party (Biden particularly); and, for the most part, I expect the parties to try to act in a manner that appeals to their respective bases. 'Brown people' have a much stronger presence in the Democratic party (in terms of both voters and representatives) than the Republican party, so I'm honestly comfortable predicting that Biden will be a more 'pro-brown people' president than Trump (whose incentive is to court the alt-right) on that basis alone. [/B]

Originally posted by Surtur
I know the main thing, which is the rapists thing. Which was about criminals coming over the border illegally, not all mexicans.

Other than that I can not think of any specific policy, etc. targeting mexicans.

The wall targeted illegals, not mexicans.

I never saw him say build some magical wall that only stops brown people but lets illegal immigrants of other races through.

Source me.

Originally posted by Surtur
The wall targeted illegals, not mexicans.

I never saw him say build some magical wall that only stops brown people but lets illegal immigrants of other races through.

Source me.

"I'm not going to pay for that f*cking wall!" - Mexican president

Originally posted by Surtur
The wall targeted illegals, not mexicans.

I never saw him say build some magical wall that only stops brown people but lets illegal immigrants of other races through.

(I'll be harsh in my reply but I really need you to not take it personally. Pretend I'm attacking an archetype instead of you. You just so happen to respond with the archteypical talking points of the pro-Biden voters so you'll be the punching bag for my reply.)

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I will, for the sake of keeping an even more right-wing, even more pro-war, even more anti-brown people, even more pro-military industrial complex Republican out of office.

This is factually wrong, though. Trump has reduced our foreign war and troop presence and not started a new war.

Trump's track record with warmongering is better than any recent president and you have to go back to Carter to find a better track record.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/483676-donald-trump-is-ending-endless-war

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/09/trump-announce-reduction-troops-iraq-200909020116968.html

And you're forgetting how many brown people, how much war, and how pro-military industrial complex Biden was during Obama's 8 years. It's too late to try and back-track and shill for Biden over Trump.

Your only choice, if you hold these positions to be important, is to NOT vote for either Biden or Trump. You must vote fore Green Party or Libertarian. If you do not, you're a hypocrite playing partisan politics to the detriment and murder of more brown people.

My personal position is: neither Trump nor Biden - to hell with these dumbasses.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I think that's the natural course of action to take, for someone who cares about these things.

To vote for someone with a much worse warmongering and murderous track record than Trump? You're going to vote for the dude that was pro-drug war, anti-black, pro-war, and anti-gay-marriage? Do you see why I think that's hypocritical and stupid as f*ck?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Of course, in the case of someone who doesn't care about these things, I can see how they might be perfectly happy to throw their hands in the air and proclaim "it's a wash" because neither option conforms perfectly to the ideal. Then they can proceed to vote on the basis of the things they actually care about, and not have to take responsibility for the other stuff.

There's a better option than being a hypocrite: stop voting for Democrats and Republicans until a truly good candidate comes along. Instead, vote for people with proven records and good positions (that's neither Trump nor Biden) that don't require you to compromise your personal morals.

If you are anti-warmongering and anti-racist, you don't have to vote for Biden or Trump.

What if a simple majority of Americans stopped buying into the bullshit notion that you MUST vote for R or D in November? What would happen if we saw a massive change to what goes to Capitol Hill? What if neither a Democrat nor a Republican occupied the white house in 2021? Imagine if we all voted for a candidate that was going to actually end our foreign warmongering, give us an affordable UHC, end the drug-war, fixed our broken tax system, and fought for term limits? Did you know there are no less than 3 candidates - not Biden and Trump - who hold most of those positions?

No need to compromise your personal morals. You can have your cake and eat it, too. Seriously.

Originally posted by dadudemon
(I'll be harsh in my reply but I really need you to not take it personally. Pretend I'm attacking an archetype instead of you. You just so happen to respond with the archteypical talking points of the pro-Biden voters so you'll be the punching bag for my reply.)

This is factually wrong, though. Trump has reduced our foreign war and troop presence and not started a new war.

Trump's track record with warmongering is better than any recent president and you have to go back to Carter to find a better track record.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/483676-donald-trump-is-ending-endless-war

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/09/trump-announce-reduction-troops-iraq-200909020116968.html

And you're forgetting how many brown people, how much war, and how pro-military industrial complex Biden was during Obama's 8 years. It's too late to try and back-track and shill for Biden over Trump.

Your only choice, if you hold these positions to be important, is to NOT vote for either Biden or Trump. You must vote fore Green Party or Libertarian. If you do not, you're a hypocrite playing partisan politics to the detriment and murder of more brown people.

My personal position is: neither Trump nor Biden - to hell with these dumbasses.

To vote for someone with a much worse warmongering and murderous track record than Trump? You're going to vote for the dude that was pro-drug war, anti-black, pro-war, and anti-gay-marriage? Do you see why I think that's hypocritical and stupid as f*ck?

There's a better option than being a hypocrite: stop voting for Democrats and Republicans until a truly good candidate comes along. Instead, vote for people with proven records and good positions (that's neither Trump nor Biden) that don't require you to compromise your personal morals.

If you are anti-warmongering and anti-racist, you don't have to vote for Biden or Trump.

What if a simple majority of Americans stopped buying into the bullshit notion that you MUST vote for R or D in November? What would happen if we saw a massive change to what goes to Capitol Hill? What if neither a Democrat nor a Republican occupied the white house in 2021? Imagine if we all voted for a candidate that was going to actually end our foreign warmongering, give us an affordable UHC, end the drug-war, fixed our broken tax system, and fought for term limits? Did you know there are no less than 3 candidates - not Biden and Trump - who hold most of those positions?

No need to compromise your personal morals. You can have your cake and eat it, too. Seriously.

^I wish the election ended up like that. But the system is corrupt and their names are not even on the ballots in many states.

Ddm. If it had been Sanders as the nominee this year would you have voted for him instead of third party?

Originally posted by BackFire
Ddm. If it had been Sanders as the nominee this year would you have voted for him instead of third party?

Yes and I stated I would do so, multiple times. We share 72% of policy overlap. A pretty high score. The stuff I don't agree with him on are usually the retarded SJW BS, "unfettered free college tuition", and ridiculously expensive UHC (no copays, 100% free), and overly generous immigration.

For me if the dems had chosen Tulsi or Yang I would have voted for them.

Originally posted by Surtur
For me if the dems had chosen Tulsi or Yang I would have voted for them.

Samsies. Bernie + Tulsi or Yang + Tulsi.

They would have beaten Trump, guaranteed.

America will never vote for a Socialist.

Originally posted by BackFire
Ddm. If it had been Sanders as the nominee this year would you have voted for him instead of third party?

I woulda gone for a bernie too even though he is so old he pisses dust.

For me if the dems had chosen Tulsi or Yang I would have voted for them.

I hope Yang stays in the game though and gets more political power so he can develop some of the ideas he has.

I like Yang and Tulsi.

Yang was an interesting candidate; I do think countries need to seriously look at UBI.

Originally posted by snowdragon
I woulda gone for a bernie too even though he is so old he pisses dust.

I hope Yang stays in the game though and gets more political power so he can develop some of the ideas he has.

Same for Tulsi. Hell she isn't even 40 yet, there is time for her. And Yang is only 45.

Originally posted by ares834
Love it. When someone disagrees with you they are "Trumpers".

So you've proved yourself that NASA is not the right agency for combating climate change?

They're dedicated to research involving space and aircraft not looking into alternative sources of energy or improving fuel burning ones. They can and do research the change in climate/atmosphere, but turning them into a "climate change fighting machine" is a terrible idea. That's well outside their purview.

Was I talking to you?

Answer: No. But please feel free to interject your feelings some more.

"They can and do research the change in climate/atmosphere," -you We also seem to disagree on very little

Originally posted by Blakemore
It's funny. When someone debates Kent Hovind and points out something he can't argue without looking like a dumbass, he just insults the person. This is akin with your post.

Originally posted by carthage
He plans on defense spending increases, spending more on unmanned capabilities, and wasting more money on the wars in the Middle East.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/biden-says-us-must-maintain-small-force-in-middle-east-has-no-plans-for-major-defense-cuts-1.644631

Definitely no different than the Obama years

How embarrassing for you.