Originally posted by carthage
He got thrown down leaped up and threw two weak ass blows that Connor didnt even register.
That's not exactly a good showing, unless you count him not breaking his arms into jelly or something.
We are talking about his durability and the ability he has to take blows. It is a good showing for that. I never said he beat Superboy, I said he took his blows. Stilts scans show that he did, as you said yourself he leapt backup (Superboy didn'tput him down). Arthur isn't in Conner's weight class for strength, his blows shouldnt do much to Conner (out of water). He can however (out of water) take blows and remain undamaged from people in Conner's weight class as I've shown he has taken blows from Lobo, WW(angry), MMH(possessed), Powergirl (possessed) and Conner. All are well above Spidey's weght class, and most pf those showings are of them using their strength at a level that characyer normally wouldn't vs him (if they weren't possessed or angry).
I could just as easily show scans of a building being dropped on him, or a ship. Of explosions thay sink ships not dropping him. Arthur's blunt force durability and impact durability from explosions is pretty good.
In an actual fight I'd say Spidey wins. He had a distinct speed, agility and reflex advantage. His webbing should also allow him to incapacitate Arthur for at least a 10 count. That isnt what is being asked, and based on feats Peter cant produce concussive force that matches those Arthur has withstood the blows of. With both operating at their best without PIS showings I cant see Spidey doing significant damage. Stilt can low ball all he wants with streets doing what the plot required to make them relevant its still just a plot win and doesnt stand up under analysis when compared to the bulk of his feats.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Jon would make Magik his sex slave.
Lol well, put it this way:If you're fighting a group of filthy Kryptonians, and one of your team happens to literally have a Kryptonite sword...
She's actually quite underrated. I haven't even begun to go into her lightspeed reaction feats etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
Not when characters are often downplayed. How can we quantify the force a character (far outside their weight class) is hitting with when either they could either be stronger than normal, the character they are hurting weaker in durability than normal, or a combination of both?We seen characters tank millions of tons of pressure but get hurt (or feel pain) to forces less than 100 tons all the time.
Difference between Low showings to high showings can range in the astronomical amount.Spider-Man is technically around the 20 ton range (50 ton optimally). The writer definitely didn't view Spidey with million ton strength when hitting Firelord. But rather, He viewed firelord's durability at a level slightly above optimal Spidey (50ton range or so).
You're making a ****-ton of assumptions there.