Darkest Knight & Perpetua vs PR Beyonder & Molecule Man

Originally posted by Astner
I've not ignored a single one. In fact I've repeatedly pointed out that they're semantically incoherent with the argument you and MrMind are trying to make.

Originally posted by Astner
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What you're posting now is a meta-commentary on the history of the Crises and the Multiverse. No one is denying that these events happened in some sense, but it's also completely irrelevant. Because there's no reliable references to greater spatial dimensions. And Mr. Mxyzptlk has always been among the most powerful characters in the setting, despite "only" being five-dimensional.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So, is DC actually still limited to 52 universes now? I thought it's always been infinite

Originally posted by Astner
Depends on what you mean with infinite. Its number of dimensions were always six according to the recent stories, so it was certainly finite in that sense. The number of universes were infinite during the Crisis on Infinite Earths and before Flashpoint. Currently there are 52 universe in the Multiverse and an "infinite" number unstable universes in the Dark Multiverse.

The universes themselves may well be infinite in measure, but I'm not sure on that.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 6? That's funny, Marvel's dimensions is infinite

Originally posted by Diesldude
there are inifinte 3rd dimensions though.

marvel doesn't even have higher realm to speak of

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 I wish i was, Marvel is HILARIOUSLY bigger than DC, These are ancient Multiverse embodiments, each of them existing before the current Marvel Multiverse, each of them still alive. That's SEVERAL Eternities, DC doesn't come close in terms of cosmology size.

https://imgur.com/a/GuwQyYh

cool marvel has like seven multiverses

dc has infinite MULTIVERSES

now go finger yourself in the corner, trollberto

Originally posted by MrMind
cool marvel has like seven multiverses

dc has infinite MULTIVERSES

now go finger yourself in the corner, trollberto

That doesn't remotely prove DC is bigger

Marvel doesn't have infinite universes since the Secret Wars reboot.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hypertime has always been a thing(even under Snyder, since that's who everyone seems to be fixated on.) So as a whole, the multiverse is indeed infinite.

Where's proof it's infinite now though?

Unlike DC, Marvel (From X-Men: Creation of Swords. ) say--or at least imply there's infinite universes as the story continues.

Where's the proof that Hypertime is not infinite now?

I don't recall any stories, from any era since Hypertime's inception, indicating that it has inextricably reduced in size/scale.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also didn't Morrison's GL run mention dimension ZERO?
https://ibb.co/7Svsgqq
So there are only six dimensions in DC just based on their names this logic is flawed, at least in dc's case.

And that's assuming that there's proper context for the scene you reference.

Originally posted by MrMind
Metron talked about there are twenty eight dimensions currently KNOWN

the same was referenced again by in rock of ages

Pro tip; if you can replace the word "dimension" with the word "universe" in a sentence, and it isn't contradicted by the context then you can dismiss it as unreliable.

Originally posted by Diesldude
well you can have infinite dimensions in 6 dimensions. Infinite 3rd dimension for example. The ny52 is its own universe now. Dc is back to being infinite universes.

But we're talking about infinite-dimensional spaces. And disregarding topology, a space with more dimensions can't be contained in a space of fewer dimensions.

You can biject (i.e. there are as many points in as there are in ), but for m > n, a projection of an m-dimensional object to an n-dimensional space would result in a loss of information. For instance, a circle could be a projection of a sphere, but it could also be the projection of an angled cone or cylinder.

Edit. **** ASCII.

Originally posted by Astner
Not quite. It would technically be seven dimensions, but the space would be six-dimensional since the zeroth dimension doesn't span any space.

And that's assuming that there's proper context for the scene you reference.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And there are plenty of instances to porve DC has more than 6 dimensions and even infinite dimensions
For example
"Parallel worlds and infinite dimensions". Clearly differentiates Parallel universes from dimensions
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Larfleeze/Issue-5?id=86580#7
This scan is from Larfleeze run. Mr mind already posted it before but I give you the comics so you can read it by yourself

Originally posted by Astner
They're not talking about dimensional spaces here, they're talking about universes.

Originally posted by Astner
I've already addressed that, the Wanderer is speaking about universes.

Pro tip; if you can replace the word "dimension" with the word "universe" in a sentence, and it isn't contradicted by the context then you can dismiss it as unreliable.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Wait, So you admitted that dimensions and parallel universes are exchangeable depending on the context.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Then let us use inverse method
Is the word "dimensions" in this sentence can be replaced by parallel universes iyo?
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Larfleeze/Issue-5?id=86580#7

But also because the word "dimension" is unambigiously used to describe the universe throughout the story.

And this is why I emphasize the importance of context. Because the story you interpret is very different from the story that's written.

Originally posted by Astner
No. It's that writers frequently use the term dimension when they refer to universes.

Yes, primarily because it's vague.

But also because the word "dimension" is unambigiously used to describe the universe throughout the story.

And this is why I emphasize the importance of context. Because the story you interpret is very different from the story that's written.

Pro tip; if you can replace the word "dimension" with the word "universe" in a sentence, and it isn't contradicted by the context then you can dismiss it as unreliable.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But not in this sentence, Which you can't replace the dimensions with universes otherwise it doesnt make any sense
Like I said. When you demanded us to pay attentions to contexts but you just threw the context out of window
By analogy: "world" this word can be used to refer as the earth through most occasions. But it also can be used to refer other things
For example: "The world being suffered from the virus" and "I lost my family, the world is shattered" Both using the same word but not referring the same thing. And even though world refers the earth in most cases, But sometimes it just means other things.
Same case for my example. You keep using other sentences( I.E, Completely irrelevant contexts) to counter this specific sentence.
But this sentence is clearly differentiates "universes" from "dimensions"
Again like you said

So could the word "dimensions" be replaced by "universes" in this particular sentence?

Yes it can. Let's read the sentence.

"...across parallell worlds and infinite dimensions--"

Let's exchange the the word dimensions for universes and read it again.

"...across parallell worlds and infinite universes--"

The latter is perfectly coherent.

Even if you consider the former to make more sense to you, that was never part of the condition.

Compare that to the scene when Mr. Mxyzptlk talked about points, lines and time to explain the sixth dimension that was an unambiguous reference to dimensional spaces and not universes. In this instance you can't change the word dimension to universe and get a coherent sentence out of it.

Originally posted by Astner
Why are you relying on analogies when we have the text we're interpreting in front of us?

Yes it can. Let's read the sentence.

"...across parallell worlds and infinite dimensions--"

Let's exchange the the word dimensions for universes and read it again.

"...across parallell worlds and infinite universes--"

The latter is perfectly coherent.

Even if you consider the former to make more sense to you, that was never part of the condition.

Compare that to the scene when Mr. Mxyzptlk talked about points, lines and time to explain the sixth dimension that was an unambiguous reference to dimensional spaces and not universes. In this instance you can't change the word dimension to universe and get a coherent sentence out of it.

The word canon doesn't really apply to mxy

When there's only one mxy across DC omniverse, so all his appearances count

Yeah, Basically. But you know what I mean