Darkest Knight & Perpetua vs PR Beyonder & Molecule Man

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, The former is makes more sense to me.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because the latter is like saying "I'm travelling across America and united states" Just saying the same thing twice.

That said, the story repeatedly refers to universes as dimensions. This isn't my opinion, this is fact. And if the author was able to distinguish between universes and dimensional spaces he wouldn't have written it this way.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Anyway, Mr mind also posted this scan from WF which you admitted it was indeed referring the spatial dimensions
https://ibb.co/2t46Vc8
And we knew that WF is canon since all appearances of mxy is the same guy that had been explained in Superman Reborn arc

Even if you want to disregard that, it has since been retconned by contradiction since the implication is that he had killed Perpetua too.

Originally posted by Astner
It's not whether or not it arbitrarily makes more sense to you, it's whether or not it's a coherent sentence.

You're presuming that parallell worlds necessarily has the same meaning as universe, it doesn't.

That said, the story repeatedly refers to universes as dimensions. This isn't my opinion, this is fact. And if the author was able to distinguish between universes and dimensional spaces he wouldn't have written it this way.

World's Funnest was originally written to be out of continuity.

Even if you want to disregard that, it has since been retconned by contradiction.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Oh, But I guess google search disagree with you, Which you can actually type the words "Parallel worlds" and it use "Parallel universes" as synonymous substitutions.

But I'm not sure why you're still trying to defend this point. It's already lost. The writer uses the word dimensions to refer to universes, he's not talking about dimensional spaces.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
WF, Like you said, WAS originally written to be non canon(And it not even was written in the comic). But Superman Reborn made it canon.
As for the contradiction, Comics always have a lot of contradictions in itself, But it doesn't mean out of continuity.
For example: In recent death metal issues, Darkfather's words contradicting the Final Crisis story. But it didn't mean DC retconned FC

No. It can not be the case that Mr. Mxyzptlk both killed Perpetua and didn't kill Perpetua. It either happened or it didn't happen.

And if you go by Snyder's story it couldn't have happened.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
BTW, Wasn't this scan also proving the dimensions in DC are more than 6?
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/8/80518/6897161-inf%20d5.jpg

Originally posted by Astner
No she wasn't. She and Deadman were in a realm between the living and the dead.

It was, again, a universe. Or if you go by the story, a part of a universe.

Blue boobs are nice.

Originally posted by Astner
You're not reading what I'm writing. I said that it wasn't necessarily interchangeable.

But I'm not sure why you're still trying to defend this point. It's already lost. The writer uses the word dimensions to refer to universes, he's not talking about dimensional spaces.

You're scraping the bottom of the barrel for this one, aren't you?

No. It can not be the case that Mr. Mxyzptlk both killed Perpetua and didn't kill Perpetua. It either happened or it didn't happen.

And if you go by Snyder's story it couldn't have happened.

No, because it also refers to universes, or in this case a part of the universe.

There also is seventh dimension. Which further proves that names are nothing to do with the numbers of dimensions in DC
https://ibb.co/tH1qRxY

Infinite dimension has been referd many times in DC.
And, DC confirmed that everything is canon.
Do we need more proof?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because it doesn't make sense in the context of this sentence.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And I don't know why you bring Perpetua, Who is nothing to do with WF or Superman Reborn. Those comics aren't written by Snyder. And even Snyder hasn't retconned those stories.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
On the contrary, In recent Batman/Superman issue batmite said They've fought each other before. Plenty of times

Further lends to the canonicity of WF

Mr. Mxyzptlk and Batmite have fought in pretty much every comic they both appeared it. Take World's Finest #113, which was the first story to feature both characters.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
There also is seventh dimension. Which further proves that names are nothing to do with the numbers of dimensions in DC
https://ibb.co/tH1qRxY

Originally posted by Astner
It makes perfect sense linguistically.

World's Funnest wasn't canon in the first place and there are no references to World's Funnest anywhere since its publication 20 years ago. And it is contradicted (retconned) by Snyder's stories.

No, because it doesn't specifically reference (or even allude to) that particular story.

Mr. Mxyzptlk and Batmite have fought in pretty much every comic they both appeared it. Take World's Finest #113, which was the first story to feature both characters.

Which was directly retconned by Snyder right here.

Yes, WF is canon since all appearances of mxy is the same guy. Writer's intentions overruled by edics

Snyder's stories also didn't specifically reference (or even allude to) that particular story. So if you demanded me to give particular reference, Then why don't you give me your particular reference in Snyder's stories first?

Or just because the names of dimensions aren't related to the structure of dimensions? Since we actually get other higher numbers to refer other dimensions
For examples
Ultimator/10th dimension
https://ibb.co/Tg0By6F
Or like I posted before, The zeroth dimension?
https://i.ibb.co/HK75Njj/The-Green-Lantern-2018-008-014.jpg
How many dimensions have we already gotten? I'm pretty sure the numbers are higher than 6

Like I said before. My point is the names of dimensions are nothing to do with the actual numbers in dc case

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
No, It doesn't. You said "parallel worlds" doesn't necessarily mean " parallel universes" Then what do you think the "parallel worlds" was referring to in this sentence

It makes sense rhetorically, that's all that matters.

But to answer your question. I think it means planets, similar to how the Alternate Earths, specifically refers to the planets in Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yes, WF is canon since all appearances of mxy is the same guy. Writer's intentions overruled by edics

And even if it was World's Funnest is retconned by Snyder's contradiction.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Snyder's stories also didn't specifically reference (or even allude to) that particular story.

Because once it's contradicted only one event can be canon. Eliminating the older run.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So if you demanded me to give particular reference, Then why don't you give me your particular reference in Snyder's stories first?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Or just because the names of dimensions aren't related to the structure of dimensions?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Since we actually get other higher numbers to refer other dimensions
For examples
Ultimator/10th dimension
https://ibb.co/Tg0By6F

Don't reference stories you haven't read.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Or like I posted before, The zeroth dimension?
https://i.ibb.co/HK75Njj/The-Green-Lantern-2018-008-014.jpg
How many dimensions have we already gotten? I'm pretty sure the numbers are higher than 6

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Like I said before. My point is the names of dimensions are nothing to do with the actual numbers in dc case

Originally posted by Astner
It's not whether or not it arbitrarily makes more sense to you, it's whether or not it's a coherent sentence.

You're presuming that parallell worlds necessarily has the same meaning as universe, it doesn't.

That said, the story repeatedly refers to universes as dimensions. This isn't my opinion, this is fact. And if the author was able to distinguish between universes and dimensional spaces he wouldn't have written it this way.

World's Funnest was originally written to be out of continuity.

Even if you want to disregard that, it has since been retconned by contradiction since the implication is that he had killed Perpetua too.

wf being canon or not is not up to dorkins though

hypertime canonized all elseworlds stories, thats what's up

Originally posted by Astner
It doesn't matter what I think (just as it doesn't matter what you think) because we can't debate properly using a subjective standard.

It makes sense rhetorically, that's all that matters.

But to answer your question. I think it means planets, similar to how the Alternate Earths, specifically refers to the planets in Crisis on Infinite Earths.

What edict? Not once is it suggested that every licensed appearance of Mr. Mxyzptlk is canon. Mxyzptlk claiming that he's the same guy as in the cartoon or as merchandise has nothing to do with the canonicity of his comic appearances.

And even if it was World's Funnest is retconned by Snyder's contradiction.

They don't have to. All they have to do is to contradict it.

Because once it's contradicted only one event can be canon. Eliminating the older run.

Because it's not necessary. Newer stories weigh heavier than older stories when it comes to evidence. That's why newer events retcon older events and not vice versa.

You're contradicting Mxyzptlk's explanation, again.

Ultimator was made up by Mr. Mxyzptlk.

Don't reference stories you haven't read.

Six is still a higher number than zero. So it doesn't contradict the narration in scene above.

According to Mr. Mxyzptlk you're wrong.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
There also is seventh dimension. Which further proves that names are nothing to do with the numbers of dimensions in DC
https://ibb.co/tH1qRxY

Originally posted by MrMind
wf being canon or not is not up to dorkins though

The fact that World's Funnest has recently been reprinted a couple different times in TPB/Omnibus form, in books that collect several other irrefutably canon stories, is also telling.

since we got wf being canon or not topic out of the way, for the 1983948 times

marvel has 7 multiverses per molecule man in the series ultimates, which established current marvel cosmology

and the current multiverse that franklin and owen built, was confirmed to be only a couple thousand universes

on the other hand

dc has a level of existence, where infinite multiverses get manufactured by super celestials beings

It can't be canon because it contradicts what's established currently in DC. Let's not ignore that World's Funnest have never been specifically been referenced in relation to Hypertime. Hypertime, or "every story DC ever published happened in some sense," (which is a Pre-New 52 idea) does not mesh with what the writers are going with. And if you think Mr. Mxyzptlk can defeat Perpetua because "he technically did in World's Funnest," then you're wrong.

Like I've said, I'm fine with threating it like a separate story like Pre-retcon Secret Wars. But to use it to power-scale and conjecture ideas that contradict the current is dishonest.

Also how's Marvel's current cosmology relevant to Pre-retcon Beyonder?

Everything DC has published/will publish/even never publish（Dark multiverse）is canon.
This has been confirmed again and again since Convergence.
And, Doomsday Clock and Death metal still confirm it.
Only you can't accept it.

Originally posted by CatL18
Everything DC has published/will publish/even never publish（Dark multiverse）is canon.

Originally posted by CatL18
This has been confirmed again and again since Convergence.
And, Doomsday Clock

And Doomsday Clock suggested the same, but exclusively for Superman.

Originally posted by CatL18
and Death metal still confirm it.

Originally posted by CatL18
Only you can't accept it.

All the evidence posted in this thread that supports your idea of there being more than six dimensions (when it's made clear that there are only six) is extremely questionable, relying on retcons, cherry-picking, selective reading, PIS, etc. and I've already debunked half of the shit posted that you thought was worthwhile discussing.

Snyder is working on a completely different setting and story than the one you're imagining. This is the difference between canon and head-canon.

what do ya know, dc again proven astner to be wrong on everything

dc cosmology is composite, current multiverse has infinite universes, every reboot does not erase what happened before

there are at least trillions of dead multiverses in odex omniversa alone and infinite multiverses exist in dc, dc has a legit omniverse made up of infinite multiverses, marvel does not

Originally posted by MrMind
not only that, dc has INFINITE MULTIVERSES

Darkest Kngiht SOLOS

Perpetua SOLOS

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Beyonder creates SBP to punch Darkest Knight REALLY hard.

this post age well

come on assnerd, if you wanna lowball doctor manhattan perpetua and dk, or dc as a whole do it in this thread