Who's the fastest by feats?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then you also have feats like this:

Where Surfer is casually surfing backwards (not that it matters in space, I guess) and Gladiator isn't fast enough to keep up.

And here:

Where Thor is specifically disorientated by travelling FTL.

That last one directly contradicts multiple times that Thor has gone ftl. Either way, I'm not arguing for Thor anymore as I had misread something anyway.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
It's old old, I was wrong anyway. Wasn't the universe

@phil made a typo can't edit because of your gay name.

Star Wars has made me question that one. The hyperspace routes are specifically mapped out over centuries of research because people kept smashing into mass shadows (planets, suns) and shit. If you're flying through solar systems specifically I don't see Carver surviving. I would. Carver would probably hit a planet in dark space for that matter. Plus Sentry seemed to be aiming Thor too.

Didn't destroy the planet though. 😖hifty:

No he's not, but Surfer will almost always be portrayed faster than him when they appear together. Not going to do the retarded wiki shit of scaling off his best feat, but surfing around Nova while he's traveling faster than Gladiator is pretty decent. If only writers would actually give him more blitzes while giving him that speed. Need Flash writers for Marvel imo.

I honestly hope Marvel never goes the serious speedster route. It makes the heroes look like complete douchebags when let's say Superman has the speed to pick up every single peice of trash on the planet in a attosecond but he just doesent. Or stop multiple crimes across the globe at any time but just does not, or a host of other things that speed gives them the ability to do.

I mean, half of Marvel's (I'm sure all companies) heroes completely forget 80% of their powerset already

Well it's a little bit of column A, B and C for me. Writer's don't think like vs people. They make a guy into a ram and are like "But I make him tackle so how couldn't he fight fast?" It would be nice to see it.

The comparison too. You see this all the time in DC but it just doesn't happen in Marvel because all their popular characters are slow and weak. It's almost like they're too stubborn to do it at this stage. It was the same with Pre-Flashpoint Captain Marvel where the writers were too stubborn to give him some sick afterimage drilldo bashings.

And because it just looks cool. You can't tell me that jackhammering someone's face while their head flops around isn't good scenery. It's up there with ridiculous uppercuts, bashing faces/punching through people, and only eclipsed by tearing people in half. As much as everyone should hate Spider-Man his fights in comics are actually entertaining because the writers understand his speed.

There's a scene I'm thinking of on the tip of my dick. Not sure if it's comics or live action but just the pose is ingrained in my brain. One guy is holding him up by the collar while his other hand is cocked back and he delivers a shitload of punches while the held guy goes limp. Powerful imagery like that would help stave off the staleness.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
@phil made a typo can't edit because of your gay name.

Star Wars has made me question that one. The hyperspace routes are specifically mapped out over centuries of research because people kept smashing into mass shadows (planets, suns) and shit. If you're flying through solar systems specifically I don't see Carver surviving. I would. Carver would probably hit a planet in dark space for that matter. Plus Sentry seemed to be aiming Thor too.

Didn't destroy the planet though. 😖hifty:

No he's not, but Surfer will almost always be portrayed faster than him when they appear together. Not going to do the retarded wiki shit of scaling off his best feat, but surfing around Nova while he's traveling faster than Gladiator is pretty decent. If only writers would actually give him more blitzes while giving him that speed. Need Flash writers for Marvel imo.

So all of the matter in the universe would fit into about 1 billion cubic light years, or a cube that's approximately 1,000 light years on each side. That means that only about 0.0000000000000000000042 percent of the universe contains any matter.

I don't think travelling will ever be anything besides that -- at best some enhanced reactions can be argued and even then it's iffy. GLs like Hal Jordan have some of the best distance speed feats in comics, even reaction ones [like you wouldn't believe....but they don't get posted on this forum since nobody is a fanboy of him to argue he has a chance against Flash or Superman's speed], and he'll still get no-lubed by Barry before he can will himself to clench. Surfer will always be very good in terms of travelling and maneuverability but take him off his board and Spiderman goes to town in terms of speed most of the time imo. It would be interesting to see a Gladiator vs Surfer fight, though -- I think it's been implied multiple times [kind of by Thanos, more clearly in the Dr. Strange/Galactus arc] in the last few years that Gladiator is more powerful, but Surfer knowing his weakness would be a problem in making it a clear fight. I wouldn't be surprised if Gladiator Runner's him, tbh. But they wouldn't shit on Surfer like that.

My thoughts on this thread are like a merger between flying feats [Gladiator is first], abilities [Gladiator reacting faster] and comparisons [Surfer is faster, and will always be like this]. I think if it would be to the upper atmosphere, Gladiator should reach it first, and if it was to the next solar system, then Surfer. Kind of like that.

which speed feat is better

gladiator's heimdall feat

or

surfer snatching ig feat

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
That last one directly contradicts multiple times that Thor has gone ftl. Either way, I'm not arguing for Thor anymore as I had misread something anyway.

Technically this is the case for all superheroes. But there was one writer (forget who) who made the point that Superman's reaction speed was a matter of focus. So while his everyday reactions aren't much faster than regular humans, he can choose to speed up his perception in a manner similar to how we can focus our sight on particular objects. Which explains a lot of the fumbles throughout his publications.

But with characters like Thor it seems to be more of a case of: his reactions aren't that impressive but he has the means to cross great distances in short periods of times.

Originally posted by MrMind
which speed feat is better

gladiator's heimdall feat

or

surfer snatching ig feat

Originally posted by MrMind
which speed feat is better

gladiator's heimdall feat

or

surfer snatching ig feat

here's the thing surfer has like at least 10 speed feats equal or greater than the ig snatching feat

gladiator's flying between galaxies in a blink of an eye feat, by all mean is a serious outlier, that feat by itself can compare to superman or flash best speed feats

but gladiator doesn't have anything that's even close second compare to that feat

i know some will mention him travel 100 times the speed of light, but that was done through hyperspace so it doesn't count

overall i say gladiator is still faster than surfer but not by much

Originally posted by MrMind
here's the thing surfer has like at least 10 speed feats equal or greater than the ig snatching feat

gladiator's flying between galaxies in a blink of an eye feat, by all mean is a serious outlier, that feat by itself can compare to superman or flash best speed feats

but gladiator doesn't have anything that's even close second compare to that feat

i know some will mention him travel 100 times the speed of light, but that was done through hyperspace so it doesn't count

overall i say gladiator is still faster than surfer but not by much

At 100 times the speed of light it will still take you almost a minute just to fly to the sun.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Even if it's just within the solar system, you'd have to be the reverse-Domino unlucky to hit anything [see this: https://socratic.org/questions/is-most-of-our-solar-system-empty-space]. If we're talking about the Universe itself, the number is absurd:

You can close your eyes and speedblitz across the Universe and the chances of hitting anything are really slim.

I don't think travelling will ever be anything besides that -- at best some enhanced reactions can be argued and even then it's iffy. GLs like Hal Jordan have some of the best distance speed feats in comics, even reaction ones [like you wouldn't believe....but they don't get posted on this forum since nobody is a fanboy of him to argue he has a chance against Flash or Superman's speed], and he'll still get no-lubed by Barry before he can will himself to clench. Surfer will always be very good in terms of travelling and maneuverability but take him off his board and Spiderman goes to town in terms of speed most of the time imo. It would be interesting to see a Gladiator vs Surfer fight, though -- I think it's been implied multiple times [kind of by Thanos, more clearly in the Dr. Strange/Galactus arc] in the last few years that Gladiator is more powerful, but Surfer knowing his weakness would be a problem in making it a clear fight. I wouldn't be surprised if Gladiator Runner's him, tbh. But they wouldn't shit on Surfer like that.

My thoughts on this thread are like a merger between flying feats [Gladiator is first], abilities [Gladiator reacting faster] and comparisons [Surfer is faster, and will always be like this]. I think if it would be to the upper atmosphere, Gladiator should reach it first, and if it was to the next solar system, then Surfer. Kind of like that.

A map of our galaxy would help put it in perspective though. It would either ease my concern, or keep it the same. Mind you this is assuming it's all on the same plane as well, hmm. In any case it's hard for me to believe I could just blast off in any direction in space without knowledge and be safe without visual aid. Too much fiction and just pure unknown has made that a hard pill to swallow.

And you're confusing this with me actually applying it to comics, or just using travel feats. You're not talking to Carver here or someone with an agenda or hidden motive. I'm saying with maneuvering around characters and random reactions that it doesn't make sense that you can make an argument for Spider-Man fighting Surfer. It's a lamentation that this is what it boils down to. I understand that space is also huge too, but these guys are specifically traversing them and taking note of their surroundings. Basically if you step back and look at it from the outside would you need to specifically group these feats into specific designations of speed?

Basically if it wasn't in a Vs section and you only knew of the "capabilities" of these beings without the low showings, would you assume they get blitzed by any character? It speaks to the absurdity that someone who can travel "many times lightspeed" would be considered slow to me. It's just comic writers trying to top each other.

I'm not making a case for or against it as I understand travel speed - or I can just say THOR to show I understand - I'm just pointing out how woefully inept Marvel is at portraying superspeed in fights when they could easily turn it around. If you came from another fiction, seen the best speed feats from Marvel characters, and then saw all the low feats you'd need to go under some heavy reconciliation. Which explains the Vs wiki people who really don't read... well... anything I imagine. Just the idea of wank is enough without understanding how these mediums work.

Originally posted by Philosophía
The 100 times the speed of light can count, and it pales in comparison.

At 100 times the speed of light it will still take you almost a minute just to fly to the sun.

And the whole "Hair's breadth of lightspeed" thing probably got around too to deter anyone from attempting a calculation.

There's also the comic notion that even if,yes, space is huge etc etc, comic characters are still drawn as if they're having to navigate rush hour with asteroids and what not.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There's also the comic notion that even if,yes, space is huge etc etc, comic characters are still drawn as if they're having to navigate rush hour with asteroids and what not.

Originally posted by Astner
If you take Gladiator's feat of supposedly crossing entire galaxies in the blink of an eye, it's probably the fastest. Because galaxies are very far apart.

So even if you just assume that it's two galaxies, you're talking about an average of 10 million light-years crossed in the blink of an eye, which would be a fourth of a second.

That's 40 million light-years in a second, or over a quadrillion times the speed of light, which puts even the greatest Flash feat to shame.

Quadrillions of times ftl is enough to be on Wally's respect thread but nowhere close to his best quantifiable speed feats

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Quadrillions of times ftl is enough to be on Wally's respect thread but nowhere close to his best quantifiable speed feats

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There's also the comic notion that even if,yes, space is huge etc etc, comic characters are still drawn as if they're having to navigate rush hour with asteroids and what not.

Yeah all the depictions don't help. Even if our universe is safe to beeline anywhere - which I can't abide by until Morrison draws a map of our galaxy - Marvel galaxy is not. "I can navigate a meteor storm but can't navigate around Spider-Man's fist!" and all.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I mean flying through a straight line of the galaxy while flying through solar systems; not just one solar system. Although most of space is empty - and I understand how much of a void it is between and even in galaxies - it combined with Star Wars hyperspace lanes gives me doubt that you could just straight line through the galaxy while passing through inhabited systems and not hit anything. I suppose it's more of a question of how many solar systems could you pass all lined up while being safe. I'm assuming passing through a couple. Couple that with all the orbits not lining up perfectly, debris and shit and you have a recipe for disaster for me. If you pass through none then sure.
I feel like there's enough random shit that if you're not mapping out a route before hand then you're bound to hit something.

A map of our galaxy would help put it in perspective though. It would either ease my concern, or keep it the same. Mind you this is assuming it's all on the same plane as well, hmm. In any case it's hard for me to believe I could just blast off in any direction in space without knowledge and be safe without visual aid. Too much fiction and just pure unknown has made that a hard pill to swallow.

And you're confusing this with me actually applying it to comics, or just using travel feats. You're not talking to Carver here or someone with an agenda or hidden motive. I'm saying with maneuvering around characters and random reactions that it doesn't make sense that you can make an argument for Spider-Man fighting Surfer. It's a lamentation that this is what it boils down to. I understand that space is also huge too, but these guys are specifically traversing them and taking note of their surroundings. Basically if you step back and look at it from the outside would you need to specifically group these feats into specific designations of speed?

Basically if it wasn't in a Vs section and you only knew of the "capabilities" of these beings without the low showings, would you assume they get blitzed by any character? It speaks to the absurdity that someone who can travel "many times lightspeed" would be considered slow to me. It's just comic writers trying to top each other.

I'm not making a case for or against it as I understand travel speed - or I can just say THOR to show I understand - I'm just pointing out how woefully inept Marvel is at portraying superspeed in fights when they could easily turn it around. If you came from another fiction, seen the best speed feats from Marvel characters, and then saw all the low feats you'd need to go under some heavy reconciliation. Which explains the Vs wiki people who really don't read... well... anything I imagine. Just the idea of wank is enough without understanding how these mediums work.