Originally posted by SurturYour question is fallacious because I never indicated that any white people could use the N word specifically. I only used the example to show how different groups using the same words would provoke different responses. I even said the N word is an extreme example with the understanding sexual preference may not be on the same tier as the N word but showcases a similar pattern.
I have never said that different groups using the same terminology can't provoke different responses. We are seeing that here.What I'm telling you is that some of these responses are not valid. It is not valid to freak out cuz a conservative uses the term, but be okay with literally anyone who isn't a conservative doing it. ACB has never said she hates gays or wants to make gay marriage illegal again or start using conversion therapy or ANYTHING like that and no her belonging to a damn church does not count as her own words. Hell my own family belonged to a church without adhering to every single belief they spouted out of their mouths.
I just don't see why this is the hill people wanna die on why is it so damn difficult to just say "okay this is silly and hypocritical"? I don't understand. It is silly, it is hypocritical. It's okay to say these things about people who aren't on the right, you aren't gonna spontaneously combust.
I also just want you to clarify something though because I want to see how consistent you are in your logic: is it more acceptable for a woke white leftist to use the N word as a racial slur than it is for a conservative? Again I want to note this is being used as a slur, it's not some white girl saying the N word accidentally while singing a rap song. By your logic, different groups and all...one should be worse than the other.
In the case of sexual preference the line being drawn is between conservatives and liberals. Specifically evangelical conservatives. So yes a known liberal representing a party that has LGBTQ rights as part of their platform would probably not provoke the same response from LGBTQ people in the same manner as hearing a conservative Christian whose group has used that terminology to try and take away LGBTQ rights before.
Originally posted by Newjak
Your question is fallacious because I never indicated that any white people could use the N word specifically. I only used the example to show how different groups using the same words would provoke different responses. I even said the N word is an extreme example with the understanding sexual preference may not be on the same tier as the N word but showcases a similar pattern.In the case of sexual preference the line being drawn is between conservatives and liberals. Specifically evangelical conservatives. So yes a known liberal representing a party that has LGBTQ rights as part of their platform would probably not provoke the same response from LGBTQ people in the same manner as hearing a conservative Christian whose group has used that terminology to try and take away LGBTQ rights before.
Yes I agree it's going to provoke different responses, and that is the hypocrisy.
If the term is so offensive then the side that you're granting a hall pass to for using it needs to choose a different term because if not every time they throw a little tantrum their hypocrisy will be noted. Use sexual orientation from now on if you guys want to be taken seriously in complaints about the term sexual preference 👆
Originally posted by SurturThat is not hypocrisy works man. I don't know what to tell you other than it doesn't.
Yes I agree it's going to provoke different responses, and that is the hypocrisy.If the term is so offensive then the side that you're granting a hall pass to for using it needs to choose a different term because if not every time they throw a little tantrum their hypocrisy will be noted. Use sexual orientation from now on if you guys want to be taken seriously in complaints about the term sexual preference 👆
It would only be hypocrisy if they had no justification for the different reactions.
In this instance there is a definitive history and pattern that justifies the different reactions and concern.
Specifically they don't like ACB using it because it provokes strong emotional responses to conservative Christians trying to take their rights away.
Originally posted by Newjak
That is not hypocrisy works man. I don't know what to tell you other than it doesn't.It would only be hypocrisy if they had no justification for the different reactions.
In this instance there is a definitive history and pattern that justifies the different reactions and concern.
Specifically they don't like ACB using it because it provokes strong emotional responses to conservative Christians trying to take their rights away.
It's like you're saying context matters...
Originally posted by Newjak
That is not hypocrisy works man. I don't know what to tell you other than it doesn't.It would only be hypocrisy if they had no justification for the different reactions.
In this instance there is a definitive history and pattern that justifies the different reactions and concern.
Well your opinion on that is noted, but I disagree because I don't feel there is valid justification for different reactions.
The simple remedy is for you guys to just stop using the term. You can't police certain words while also using them yourselves.
Just use sexual orientation from now on and avoid messes like this. And if you refuse to do that and still wanna get angry when the "wrong" person uses the term do not be surprised when the double standard is called out.
I mean one of the reasons we were told this is bad is because the word "preference" implies one has a choice.
Which, if you believe that, would be true no matter who says it. Could be a straight white conservative, could be a black lesbian, could be the pope, could be AOC, could be anyone. It'd still be implying it is a choice.
Now, please think of an excuse for this, thanks in advance.
Originally posted by SurturWhat!!! You're saying a pattern of history where conservatives used Sexual Preference as a means to undermine and try to halt/remove LGBTQ rights advancements is not a valid reason.
Well your opinion on that is noted, but I disagree because I don't feel there is valid justification for different reactions.The simple remedy is for you guys to just stop using the term. You can't police certain words while also using them yourselves.
Just use sexual orientation from now on and avoid messes like this. And if you refuse to do that and still wanna get angry when the "wrong" person uses the term do not be surprised when the double standard is called out.
You've got to be joking right 😆
Originally posted by Newjak
What!!! You're saying a pattern of history where conservatives used Sexual Preference as a means to undermine and try to halt/remove LGBTQ rights advancements is not a valid reason.You've got to be joking right 😆
I'm telling you: choose a different phrase or stop complaining about its usage.
Why is that so hard? Explain.
Originally posted by Surtur😂
I'm telling you: choose a different phrase or stop complaining about its usage.Why is that so hard? Explain.
It's not but you pretending context doesn't matter is the issue here not hey pick a phrase stick to it.
It's a good thing no one needs your validation for context and history.
Originally posted by Newjak
😂It's not but you pretending context doesn't matter is the issue here not hey pick a phrase stick to it.
It's a good thing no one needs your validation for context and history.
Context does matter, just not here. They both used it in the same context.
See what confuses me about your angle is why would they not just say "given the way conservatives have used this term in the past we should drop our usage of it"?
Why instead go the route of deciding it's okay for them but not others? The arrogance of that alone will put people off. The whole "Well *we* can use it cuz we are oh so virtuous" shit isn't ever going to fly with a normal person. Surely you know this.