Define European left wing/right wing
People from Europe, please explain the European definitions left wing/right wing. I think they're different than how we define them in the USA. I read through some of the threads and this keeps popping into my head:
Not that any one side is wrong, just words used differently.
They're both a very broad spectrum. The most useful example of it is probably the alliances in the European Union which consists of voting blocs of loosely aligned parties that more or less separate into centre left and centre right.
In individual countries the parties change depending on their leadership.
In the UK, for example, the Labour Party under Tony Blair was centrist with a slight left lean and they were to the right of the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National Party. Under Jeremy Corbyn they were to the left of both of those parties. Under David Cameron the Conservative Party were centre right and pro European and under Boris Johnson they are further to the right and anti European.
Because most countries have a multiple party system many governments consist of coalitions that have parties from both the left and right as that's the only way to form a functioning government. Germany, for example, has a coalition of 3 parties. One is centre left, one is centre and one is centre right.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0All our major parties with the exception of possibly the Conservatives are to the left of yours Bada. To be honest most Tories are to the left of your parties.
They're both a very broad spectrum. The most useful example of it is probably the alliances in the European Union which consists of voting blocs of loosely aligned parties that more or less separate into centre left and centre right.In individual countries the parties change depending on their leadership.
In the UK, for example, the Labour Party under Tony Blair was centrist with a slight left lean and they were to the right of the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National Party. Under Jeremy Corbyn they were to the left of both of those parties. Under David Cameron the Conservative Party were centre right and pro European and under Boris Johnson they are further to the right and anti European.
Because most countries have a multiple party system many governments consist of coalitions that have parties from both the left and right as that's the only way to form a functioning government. Germany, for example, has a coalition of 3 parties. One is centre left, one is centre and one is centre right.
Originally posted by Badabingyeah they are considered on the right.
Thanks for the replies. Just trying to keep up when I enter threads.I consider the pre WW II Nazis leftists since they were socialists. Does Europe consider them on the right? If so, are they considered right due to their Arian supremacy notions?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
It has pretty much nothing to do with Socialism, Although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their “socialism” was at best a secondary element in their appeal. Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left. A closer look at the connection between Nazism and socialism can help us better understand both ideologies in their historical contexts and their significance for contemporary politics.
The Nazi regime had little to do with socialism, despite it being prominently included in the name of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. The NSDAP, from Hitler on down, struggled with the political implications of having socialism in the party name. Some early Nazi leaders, such as Gregor and Otto Strasser, appealed to working-class resentments, hoping to wean German workers away from their attachment to existing socialist and communist parties. The NSDAP’s 1920 party program, the 25 points, included passages denouncing banks, department stores and “interest slavery,” which suggested a quasi-Marxist rejection of free markets. But these were also typical criticisms in the anti-Semitic playbook, which provided a clue that the party’s overriding ideological goal wasn’t a fundamental challenge to private property.
Instead of controlling the means of production or redistributing wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis focused on safeguarding a social and racial hierarchy. They promised solidarity for members of the Volksgemeinschaft (“racial community”) even as they denied rights to those outside the charmed circle.
Additionally, while the Nazis tried to appeal to voters across the spectrum, the party’s founders and initial base were small-business men and artisans, not the industrial proletariat of Marxist lore. Their first notable electoral successes were in small towns and Protestant rural areas in present-day Thuringia and Saxony, among voters suspicious of cosmopolitan, secular cities who associated both “socialism” and “capitalism” with Jews and foreigners.
Originally posted by Badabing
Thanks for the replies. Just trying to keep up when I enter threads.I consider the pre WW II Nazis leftists since they were socialists. Does Europe consider them on the right? If so, are they considered right due to their Arian supremacy notions?
The Nazis were to socialism what the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is to democracy.
Nazi comes from National ie they emphasis nationalism in the form of racial purity like the modern KKK.
In general, our left parties are usually called "Green" or "Socialist" whereas Labour and Liberal are usually more centre-left.
Canada's Liberal party is more right wing than most European right wing parties and Australia's Liberal party is even more right wing.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The Nazis were to socialism what the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is to democracy.
Originally posted by Blakemore👆 and 👆
Nazi comes from National ie they emphasis nationalism in the form of racial purity like the modern KKK.In general, our left parties are usually called "Green" or "Socialist" whereas Labour and Liberal are usually more centre-left.
Canada's Liberal party is more right wing than most European right wing parties and Australia's Liberal party is even more right wing.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The Nazis were to socialism what the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is to democracy.
But it's IN THE NAME!!!
Plenty of intelligent people have said "a name of a group proves the actions of it". If a country is called democratic, intelligent people say, it is thus democratic.
The Nazis weren’t socialist. They used the term socialist because it was popular at the time and it made them palatable to people.
Hitler wanted to redefine what socialism meant.
Fascism is a specific far right wing authoritarianism. It’s semantics but left wing authoritarianism would go by other names.
Originally posted by BackFire
The Nazis weren’t socialist. They used the term socialist because it was popular at the time and it made them palatable to people.
Hitler wanted to redefine what socialism meant.Fascism is a specific far right wing authoritarianism. It’s semantics but left wing authoritarianism would go by other names.
Yes, far left fascism. Why make it complicated?
This isn't hard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism
Just cuz historically it wasn't considered left wing doesn't mean intelligent people can't apply it to the left now.
Here we go, you: define fascism
You then: see if it applies to anyone left wing
If it does, then: you call them a fascist
It's like magic right?
Originally posted by SurturDamn, it's the Nazi's being on the right that triggers you. Surt is it you see similarities here to now? the Nazis tried to appeal to voters across the spectrum, the party’s founders and initial base were small-business men and artisans, not the industrial proletariat of Marxist lore. Their first notable electoral successes were in small towns and Protestant rural areas in present-day Thuringia and Saxony, among voters suspicious of cosmopolitan, secular cities who associated both “socialism” and “capitalism” with Jews and foreigners.
Yes, far left fascism. Why make it complicated?
Tump tried to appeal to voters across the spectrum, the party’s founders and initial base were small-business men and artisans, not the industrial proletariat of Marxist lore. Their most notable electoral successes were in small towns and Protestant/Evangelical rural areas in present-day Southern USA, among voters suspicious of cosmopolitan, secular cities who associated both “socialism” with Europeans and foreigners.