Guardian vs. Sabretooth

Originally posted by -K-M-
And? His claws still couldn’t cut through his shields even after that initial appearance. You mentioned bone claw hitting him with a back hand (if your referring to wolverine #95). But that wasn’t even a fight. Guardian thought he was attacking an innocent person so he dive bombed wolverine and was holding him on the ground and told him to stop. He wasn’t trying to fight him. His shields were off and then wolverine back handed him. That was it

What modern showing shows them going toe to toe? You mean in his groundhog armour?

Are you talking about AF vol 2 #1? That was after Guardian beat him. He turned off his shields and went to go check on him and then Wolverine recovered and stabbed him. Was a training session to show wolverine was still human and not an animal. That was also planned by Department H so they could clone James and make a version they could control

Exactly, he blindsided Wolverine, so he's had all the advantage he needed to be in control of the situation.

He didn't know anything about Dirtnap, so he indeed thought he was saving human life --- which should've made him more effective, if anything.

His shields were off? Why? Art showed him be powered up?

Modern showing = that AF run when Citadel resurfaced and got stabbed in the eyes, but before that issue.

The other one was much more recent, but it was specifically said to be a prototype armor. Happened in the same book that had Wolverne fighting a Wendigo in h2h without his claws (till the very end, when he snikted him).

Are you talking about AF vol 2 #1? That was after Guardian beat him. He turned off his shields and went to go check on him and then Wolverine recovered and stabbed him. Was a training session to show wolverine was still human and not an animal. That was also planned by Department H so they could clone James and make a version they could control

Don't remember the book, I'll get you back later on it.

Hudson got stabbed in the stomach and claws were sticking outwards from his back (visibly protruding, deep stab, but without breaking the suit on his back).

Sabretooth should be able to absorb the pulse of the blast as his heart can condition to any level.

Yes, Sabretooth's absorption abilities based on the strength of his heart are definitely a major factor here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Exactly, he blindsided Wolverine, so he's had all the advantage he needed to be in control of the situation.

And? As mentioned he wasn’t trying to fight him or knock him out. Just to stop him from attacking the person. He had him on the ground trying to talk to him and then wolverine hit the back hand

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He didn't know anything about Dirtnap, so he indeed thought he was saving human life --- which should've made him more effective, if anything.

James: “let it go, Logan. He’s just a bum”!
Wolverine: “the kids gone..must bolted. Good for him...but Dirt naps running off”
*wolverine back hands him*

James then gets right back up and yells at him to get away from Heather. That was it

It was not high stakes or you know James would have blasted him rather then try to use both hands to physically hold him to the ground and not attack afterwards. Didn’t even throw one punch

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

His shields were off? Why? Art showed him be powered up?

It did not. Yellow aura was around James when he dive bombed him and then was gone after he was trying to talk to him

James has taken hits from class 100 characters and was fine. He groaned in pain from the back hand

Later when Heather and James carry wolverine with him they power the suits back up as shown by the yellow aura

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
[B Modern showing = that AF run when Citadel resurfaced and got stabbed in the eyes, but before that issue.[/b]

That was Alpha Flight #7 (vol3) and they hardly looked like peers. Showed once again with shields on (yellow aura around him) wolverine couldn’t cut him. James with a blast sent wolverine to the ground in pain

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The other one was much more recent, but it was specifically said to be a prototype armor. Happened in the same book that had Wolverne fighting a Wendigo in h2h without his claws (till the very end, when he snikted him).

Wolverine #129? Mac wasn’t even in that issue

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't remember the book, I'll get you back later on it.

Hudson got stabbed in the stomach and claws were sticking outwards from his back (visibly protruding, deep stab, but without breaking the suit on his back).

Then yes, that was Alpha Flight #1 (vol.2). So there was context behind that scene

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Wolverine #129? Mac wasn’t even in that issue

No. I said it was much more recent.

3-4 year-old book, maybe? Published at the time when Wolverine was still considered dead, but taking place well before Xavier recruited him.

That was Alpha Flight #7 (vol3) and they hardly looked like peers. Showed once again with shields on (yellow aura around him) wolverine couldn’t cut him. James with a blast sent wolverine to the ground in pain

Wolverine tanked everything and kept coming at him, they were going toe to toe, like it or not.

Sasquatch had to separate them.

Sabretooth’ s senses should be able to instinctively lead him to either safety or his kill.
Guardian would have to be everywhere to stop him. It’d be a good challenge of the suit but in the end Sabretooth would out plan Guardian.

Got it. It was Season One graphic novel.

Problem is, its canonicity seems disputable for the time being. It was a prototype suit, anyway. So you can relax your mungibuttocks.

I will never relax my mungibuttocks

Also they were hardly going toe to toe. Mac grabbed him from the air and threw him to the ground. Wolverine attacked...it failed. James then blasted him to the ground and didn’t look good. The fight was over then. They talked. Wolverine talked with puck. Wolverine then tried to drive off on a motorcycle. James caught it and flew it into the air to prevent him from hitting important equipment. Wolverine cut the gas tank causing it to explode. Both fell to the ground and then Sasquatch punched them both. Wasn’t some long drawn out fight. The take away from it was wolverine’s claws failed again and a blast hurt wolverine and put him on the ground

Remember when Logan had Hudson pinned and dead to rights during their first rematch (Sasquatch fought Colossus there)?

I remember vin

Alpha Flight will always find a way to lose.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Remember when Logan had Hudson pinned and dead to rights during their first rematch (Sasquatch fought Colossus there)?

I remember vin

Alpha Flight will always find a way to lose.

Right. If only he had some kind of defence that has proven multiple times that could block Wolverine’s claws making him ineffective. Oh wait... 😉

Yeah, he totally looked like he had everything under control vin