Phoenix Five Namor vs Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by h1a8
Get ready to be owned in front of everyone.

This is what I stated.

Which clearly means "a lot".

You stated this afterwards

Therefore either your English sucks or you are just trolling again.
"can" means has the ability or capacity and "will" means inevitable event.

No one stated or implied that Surfer "will" do a zillion things in a single fight. I stated that he CAN do (has the ability) a zillion different possible things in a fight.

Then you went full retard and state this.

In other words, Namor is more versatile than Surfer which is pure trolling since either
1. you mean that Namor "will" do a zillion different powers in a fight (since I used the same wording as you used)
or

2. that Namor "can" do more different things than Surfer (which is blatantly false).

You actually prove this, how surfer is vastly versatile other than blasting and punching/striking in most of his fights with on panel showings.

Namor takes this

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Hahaha you can’t own anyone you’re a complete joke in every sense. You trying to twist it won’t work as we both know what you meant . you always try to go down this route of “versatile surfer”

You actually prove this, how surfer is vastly versatile other than blasting and punching/striking in most of his fights with on panel showings.

So you clearly see that you were trolling.
I never stated or implied that Surfer will do a zillion things fighting Namor. I was just addressing the false statement that Namor out classes Surfer in every way.

In a fight, versatility doesn't mean a character will bust out every single power. It just means they have the option to bust out any one of their powers. More Options = versatility.

Now with the fight at hand (to get back on track)

Yes, I agree that Surfer will start the match blasting and maneuvering around. That's his bread and butter tactic. But later he will see and realize that his blasts aren't doing much (unless you believe they will). Surfer will then seek another strategy or power to implement.

Surfer is never going to think "well my blasts aren't working but I'm still going to blast anyway and not even consider my other powers or options."

this is a close one

Silver Surfer can effectively control the magnitude of the cosmos.
Phoenix force can implement the type of action desired. There is no way Namor wouldn’t attack the nobility desire of Surfer and destroy him.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you clearly see that you were trolling.
I never stated or implied that Surfer will do a zillion things fighting Namor. I was just addressing the false statement that Namor out classes Surfer in every way.

In a fight, versatility doesn't mean a character will bust out every single power. It just means they have the option to bust out any one of their powers. More Options = versatility.

Now with the fight at hand (to get back on track)

Yes, I agree that Surfer will start the match blasting and maneuvering around. That's his bread and butter tactic. But later he will see and realize that his blasts aren't doing much (unless you believe they will). Surfer will then seek another strategy or power to implement.

Surfer is never going to think "well my blasts aren't working but I'm still going to blast anyway and not even consider my other powers or options."

Surfer doesn’t outclass him in every way .Namors strength and durability are far beyond Surfers.

Surfers history shows us that against heavy hitters he very very rarely changes tactics. He blasts and punches and gets his face punched in. Stop with your constant trolling CBR surfer.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer can do a Zillion things. Prove that Namor can do half the things Surfer can. Prove that Namor can travel instantly as fast as Surfer and has Surfer level reactions.

Prove these things. No speculation. Show us.

If Thor and crew couldn't do it, what makes you think Surfer can? Keep in mind how Thor has given Surfer hell the many times they fought and even beat him once or twice.

P5 Namor wins and it's not even close.

Originally posted by zopzop
I think you're overthinking this. Look at what it took to take down P5 Namor. Multiple teams of Avengers couldn't do it. They had to use weakness exploit, Wanda's Chas Magic, to beat him.

If Thor and crew couldn't do it, what makes you think Surfer can? Keep in mind how Thor has given Surfer hell the many times they fought and even beat him once or twice.

P5 Namor wins and it's not even close.

I never stated nor implied that Surfer wins. But I will declare who I think wins later in this post.

My position was that Namor only is physically stronger than Surfer. Surfer has all the other advantages.

Surfer can easily make this a stalemate by simplying avoiding getting hit (he has the speed and perceptions to do so).

Your logic is wrong. ABC logic doesn't work and this isn't a comic fight. Does Surfer have the tools to put Namor down? Surfer has several exotic means to put Namor down. Will Surfer use these means? Well if his generic blasts aren't doing anything then why not?

with that said, Surfer wins. His speed and perceptions alone will prevent Namor from even tagging him once.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never stated nor implied that Surfer wins. But I will declare who I think wins later in this post.

My position was that Namor only is physically stronger than Surfer. Surfer has all the other advantages.

Surfer can easily make this a stalemate by simplying avoiding getting hit (he has the speed and perceptions to do so).

Your logic is wrong. ABC logic doesn't work and this isn't a comic fight. Does Surfer have the tools to put Namor down? Surfer has several exotic means to put Namor down. Will Surfer use these means? Well if his generic blasts aren't doing anything then why not?

with that said, Surfer wins. His speed and perceptions alone will prevent Namor from even tagging him once.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
The only troll is you , clown.

Surfer doesn’t outclass him in every way .Namors strength and durability are far beyond Surfers.

Surfers history shows us that against heavy hitters he very very rarely changes tactics. He blasts and punches and gets his face punched in. Stop with your constant trolling CBR surfer.

Namor doesn't outclass Surfer in durability. Surfer's durability feats are better.

But anyway, let's say Namor is superior in strength and durability. Speed trumps both of those at the same time. Add in a little versatility and Namor is simply outclassed period.

Your logic is wrong. If Surfer will blast non stop without changing tactics (even if he sees that isn't working for him) then that would contradict his intelligence and the fact that he has done a zillion other different things before on panel.
Surfer is versatile because of his showings. Meaning, he has been versatile a zillion times. Therefore, your notion that Surfer will only blast is unfounded.

You are simply ignoring the plethora of times Surfer used his versatility to suggest that he never will in a forum fight even at the cost of his intelligence.

Originally posted by h1a8
Namor doesn't outclass Surfer in durability. Surfer's durability feats are better.

But anyway, let's say Namor is superior in strength and durability. Speed trumps both of those at the same time. Add in a little versatility and Namor is simply outclassed period.

Your logic is wrong. If Surfer will blast non stop without changing tactics (even if he sees that isn't working for him) then that would contradict his intelligence and the fact that he has done a zillion other different things before on panel.
Surfer is versatile because of his showings. Meaning, he has been versatile a zillion times. Therefore, your notion that Surfer will only blast is unfounded.

You are simply ignoring the plethora of times Surfer used his versatility to suggest that he never will in a forum fight even at the cost of his intelligence.

One time Silver Surfer expanded the function of the Power Cosmic when all the eyeballs were threading the children.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Surfer regularly gets hurt by punches etc. Nothing he has will take down Namor. Stop talking absolute shit. The facts are Surfer really only blasts and punches and rarely changes tactics. Instead of spewing your usual troll bs about Surfer. You actually show all these times Surfer has changed tactic and win him the fight otherwise you’re just talking like a c*nt.

You didn't rebut my argument. You rather repeated yourself which is trolling. Surfer has done a zillion different things. He will change tactics if one tactic isn't working.

Surfer wins by eventually opening a black hole or using the board from behind trick or some other tactic after discovering that blasts aren't doing much.

Originally posted by zopzop
P5 Namor wins. He's just way more powerful. Look at the team P5 Namor took on. They would have buried Surfer (hell Thor alone could take out Surfer for the majority).

And of course there's more proof of Surfer's versatility in comparison to P5 Namor. Surfer has 50+ years of showings to draw from, P5 Namor has like 3 months.

Boom.

Even if ss has more versatility, it wouldn’t help much since the Phoenix force energy output and physical stats are waaay higher than ss anyway.

Namor wins.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Gladiator "fought" Colosuss and Namor. It wasn't really a fight though, as he was bloody and unconscious with Colossus's first shown strike. Namor and Colossus pummeled on him some more before Cyclops called them off, as he didn't consider the Shi'ar to be enemies. Needless to say, Namor would have done it alone too.

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Glads should have taken the peace offer from Cyke, instead of coming in with that paternalistic nonsense. It's no wonder Cyclops let the beating go on for a bit. 👆

And Stilt is right. Namor completely no sold a blindside from Thor.

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I imagine Surfer wouldn't fare very well against P5 Namor. At all.

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Originally posted by Booya_69
Boom.

Even if ss has more versatility, it wouldn’t help much since the Phoenix force energy output and physical stats are waaay higher than ss anyway.

Namor wins.

1. Namor wouldn't land a blow on Surfer if Surfer uses his speed and perceptions.
2. Namor has no defense (by feats) against singularities or getting hit with the board from behind.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't rebut my argument. You rather repeated yourself which is trolling. Surfer has done a zillion different things. He will change tactics if one tactic isn't working.

Surfer wins by eventually opening a black hole or using the board from behind trick or some other tactic after discovering that blasts aren't doing much.

Ah so you’re back to these same old bullshit tactics. The board tactic didn’t work against Beta Ray Bill ffs , and you think it’s going to work against someone more powerful and more durable. 😂 again you need to prove the black hole tactic would work against namor. I’m still waiting on all these showings of Surfer switching tactics in a fight, troll.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
One time Silver Surfer expanded the function of the Power Cosmic when all the eyeballs were threading the children.

P5 Namor absolutely slaughters the Surfer. This is a huge mismatch.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
One time Silver Surfer expanded the function of the Power Cosmic when all the eyeballs were threading the children.