Phoenix Five Namor vs Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
1. Erm.... yes it was.

Her Chaos Magic and Hope were the only ones capable of hurting the PF. Just her touch hurt Cyclops, who literally stopped an enraged Thor with a finger:

In short, what Scarlet Witch could do/did, does not translate to Surfer.

Edit: hell, it wasn't even her touch, lol. Just holding her arm hurt Cyclops.

2.....Except I did. I literally answered your question, had you bothered to read on.

1. It wasn't an important plot point as to prove why the PF left Namor. Others were able to hurt Namor too. Wanda fought Namor earlier and his PF didn't leave him. It makes more sense that the other P4 removed Namor's portion when he was down and out rather than what Wanda did.

2. No you didn't answer the question. You originally stated nonsense about how only Phoenix avatars and Wanda can defeat other Phoenix avatars. No one mentioned DEFEAT. The argument was about knocking the PF out of Namor, not defeating him.

You should have said only Phoenix avatars and Wanda can knock the Phoenix Force out of other avatars (which isn't true).

Originally posted by h1a8
1. It wasn't an important plot point as to prove why the PF left Namor. Others were able to hurt Namor too. Wanda fought Namor earlier and his PF didn't leave him. It makes more sense that the other P4 removed Namor's portion when he was down and out rather than what Wanda did.

Please read the AvX storyline. You don't even need to read the tie-ins. Just the actual main story, lol.

2. No you didn't answer the question. You originally stated nonsense about how only Phoenix avatars and Wanda can defeat other Phoenix avatars. No one mentioned DEFEAT. The argument was about knocking the PF out of Namor, not defeating him.

You should have said only Phoenix avatars and Wanda can knock the Phoenix Force out of other avatars (which isn't true).

This was the original post you made:
I wasn't talking about hurting?

Your original post:

Originally posted by h1a8
All you are doing is trolling at this point. You haven't addressed anything I said. The PF has been easily knocked out of Namor. Why ignore this?

It was knocked out by Wanda. They even mention her specifically:

They were afraid of her:

And she was the only threat to them:

So returning to your original post:

Originally posted by h1a8
All you are doing is trolling at this point. You haven't addressed anything I said. The PF has been easily knocked out of Namor. Why ignore this?

You can't have use the PF being knocked out by Wanda and apply it to Surfer. We don't share feats.

Although, it seems like you are now changing your stance. And now saying the P4 REMOVED his portion - which again, is VERY different (😂 ) to knocking it out of him - which you can't share feats with. What the P4 can or cannot do, doesn't mean Surfer can or cannot do.

Edit: even at the end:

'Only thing that hurts it is Wanda and Hope'

Why?

And this was FULL powered Cyclops.

So yeah. What Wanda did =/= what Surfer can do.

I only read a little of P5 but Phoenix is incarnate. Anything created is an ability of hers making Galactus little science show a 5th grade morsel.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
I only read a little of P5 but Phoenix is incarnate. Anything created is an ability of hers making Galactus little science show a 5th grade morsel.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Please read the AvX storyline. You don't even need to read the tie-ins. Just the actual main story, lol.

This was the original post you made:
I wasn't talking about hurting?

Your original post:

It was knocked out by Wanda. They even mention her specifically:

They were afraid of her:

And she was the only threat to them:

So returning to your original post:

Wanda was present, and we don't share feats, remember? It was specifically her hex field that caused issues with the PF:

You can't have use the PF being knocked out by Wanda and apply it to Surfer. We don't share feats.

Although, it seems like you are now changing your stance. And now saying the P4 REMOVED his portion - which again, is VERY different (😂 ) to knocking it out of him - which you can't share feats with. What the P4 can or cannot do, doesn't mean Surfer can or cannot do.

Edit: even at the end:

'Only thing that hurts it is Wanda and Hope'

Why?

And this was FULL powered Cyclops.

So yeah. What Wanda did =/= what Surfer can do. [/B]

1. You are begging the question. You are assuming what you are trying to prove. Clearly if Wanda knocked the PF out of Namor then Surfer doesn't get that feat automatically. But the problem is you haven't proved the initial claim but assumed it.

I read the issue. Why do you think I stated that they fought earlier and nothing happened then. The scan you posted even stated "with help of the Scarlet Witch" which means that it was a collaborative effort and she didn't do it alone. That means all it takes is someone to ko Namor in order for the PF to come out. The avengers did way mor than what Wanda did. This is confirmed watching the previous fight against Namor.

Wanda and Hope can take Jean in 5 pieces to form a new X-man. If mutants can be created by mutants 5 steps at a time like the carbon chain.

What does Scarlet Witch being able to beat Namor have to do with Surfer?

Too lazy to read all of this.

Original post from h1was that the PF was easily knocked out of Namor.

Well, to quote you:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You can't have use the PF being knocked out by Wanda and apply it to Surfer. We don't share feats.

What Wanda did =/= what Surfer can do.

How is this even an argument?

Oh, because it's H1.

He then shifted his position to 'its more logical that the Avengers beat part of it out, then the P4 took it from him'.

In short, he's trying to make it like Surfer will beat it out of Namor.

Couldn’t Namor peel Surfer like metal underwater rusts?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, because it's H1.

He then shifted his position to 'its more logical that the Avengers beat part of it out, then the P4 took it from him'.

In short, he's trying to make it like Surfer will beat it out of Namor.

Surfer is more powerful than some of the avengers that were beating the snot out Namor.

I originally thought it was solely them that did it. But reading through the issue I discovered that Wanda played a part and that the other P5 could have had something to do with it. So it's inconclusive. Therefore I concede that point.

Well the point being that Silver Surfer can herald in a new age like when he brought peace to two warring planets and how the Phoenix Force was being used.