So basically when Kim Davis hates gays out if petulant intolerance, it's the American Freedom Of Business, but when athletes try to bring awareness to actual social causes, How Dare They Use Business To Freely Express Their Views.
Not that I agree with all current athletic social justice campaigns, but saying it is Bad Liberal Business Tactics, when Conservatives have been proudly doing the same thing for much longer and far more malicious reasons, is nothing less than Deplorable Hypocrisy
Originally posted by Lestov16
So basically when Kim Davis hates gays out if petulant intolerance, it's the American Freedom Of Business, but when athletes try to bring awareness to actual social causes, How Dare They Use Business To Freely Express Their Views.Not that I agree with all current athletic social justice campaigns, but saying it is Bad Liberal Business Tactics, when Conservatives have been proudly doing the same thing for much longer and far more malicious reasons, is nothing less than Deplorable Hypocrisy
I suspect people don't tune into sports in order to be exposed to that nonsense.
The question is why they can't figure this out. Well I guess the NBA did figure it out.
There is also the issue of hypocrisy in the NBA and their relationship with China, so it is especially puzzling to be preached at by them.
Then you have teams in the NFL putting names of people "killed by police", among them a pregnant woman who was killed because her criminal boyfriend used her as a damn human shield. It's insane to blame cops for that, but here we are. Shit like that makes it seem like they aren't even serious and just assume people will not look into the backgrounds of the people they "honor".
Originally posted by Lestov16
So basically when Kim Davis hates gays out if petulant intolerance, it's the American Freedom Of Business, but when athletes try to bring awareness to actual social causes, How Dare They Use Business To Freely Express Their Views.Not that I agree with all current athletic social justice campaigns, but saying it is Bad Liberal Business Tactics, when Conservatives have been proudly doing the same thing for much longer and far more malicious reasons, is nothing less than Deplorable Hypocrisy
Huh?
What does Kin Davis have to do with athletes and activism? Or even Conservatism? Kim Davis refused to issue marriage licenses purely for her own reasons, and went off the deep end after being jailed for it.
Originally posted by Surturwhy didn't you respond to my post buddy?
I suspect people don't tune into sports in order to be exposed to that nonsense.The question is why they can't figure this out. Well I guess the NBA did figure it out.
There is also the issue of hypocrisy in the NBA and their relationship with China, so it is especially puzzling to be preached at by them.
Then you have teams in the NFL putting names of people "killed by police", among them a pregnant woman who was killed because her criminal boyfriend used her as a damn human shield. It's insane to blame cops for that, but here we are. Shit like that makes it seem like they aren't even serious and just assume people will not look into the backgrounds of the people they "honor".
Originally posted by Tzeentch
why didn't you respond to my post buddy?
I'll respond to it.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
I don't understand why people always compare teachers to athletes, and I also don't understand why people think salaries are a zero-sum game.Teachers and athletes have really nothing in common. Teachers are paid by the state. Athletes work for private entities and their money does not come from taxpayers- the Lions share of the money that athletes make comes from companies like Nike choosing to pay them millions of dollars. So it's not like athletes are competing with teachers and taking money that would be going to teachers. If pro athletes received 1/4 of the money that they're getting now, that would not translate to teachers getting paid more.
Conversely, if teachers got paid more that wouldn't have any effect on athletes. So why are athletes even part of the discussion? Just pay teachers more money.
Good points.
Teachers are much more comparable to coaches and in fact, they often overlap. Athletes? No. Coaches? Yes.
So let's move the goalposts to be about teachers and coaches instead of teachers and athletes.
Who's with me on moving the goalposts?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll respond to it.Good points.
Teachers are much more comparable to coaches and in fact, they often overlap. Athletes? No. Coaches? Yes.
So let's move the goalposts to be about teachers and coaches instead of teachers and athletes.
Who's with me on moving the goalposts?
It seems regardless of the goalpost, the goal itself is paying teachers and the education system more to teach the children of future how to build a better society, and showing proper recognition to the hardworking people who take time to perform what is arguably one of if not the peak of society's most important jobs.
Do you agree with that?
Originally posted by cdtm
Huh?What does Kin Davis have to do with athletes and activism? Or even Conservatism? Kim Davis refused to issue marriage licenses purely for her own reasons, and went off the deep end after being jailed for it.
Seriously dude? I'll spell it out clearly:
A) When Kim Davis used her private business to spread her conservative social views, she was cheered on by the Republican constituency for her freedom of speech regardless of her message
B) Now that most of the media are using their private businesses to spread their liberal social views, those same Republicans are saying the businesses are spreading poisonous messages and should be censored in any way possible
If you don't see the hypocrisy here, it means the traitorous spirit of Barry Goldwater has thoroughly blinded you
Originally posted by Lestov16
It seems regardless of the goalpost, the goal itself is paying teachers and the education system more to teach the children of future how to build a better society, and showing proper recognition to the hardworking people who take time to perform what is arguably one of if not the peak of society's most important jobs.Do you agree with that?
Yes. 100%.
Give us UHC, end our foreign wars and military occupations, end the drug war, end the for-profit prison system, refocus incarceration to be about rehabilitation, overhaul the tax code to something like the fair tax, get rid of The Fed, decriminalize all drugs, cut our military spending in half, and pay teachers a shitload more.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Seriously dude? I'll spell it out clearly:
A) When Kim Davis used her private business to spread her conservative social views, she was cheered on by the Republican constituency for her freedom of speech regardless of her message
B) Now that most of the media are using their private businesses to spread their liberal social views, those same Republicans are saying the businesses are spreading poisonous messages and should be censored in any way possibleIf you don't see the hypocrisy here, it means the traitorous spirit of Barry Goldwater has thoroughly blinded you
Does the NBAs hypocrisy also bother you?
Originally posted by Surtur
Does the NBAs hypocrisy also bother you?
Not really. I don't agree with their shit, and I generally don't watch sports, but they have a ****ton of customers who do and they're still making a profit, even with losses, which is what all businesses are supposed to do.
Let me get this straight, you're mad at the NBA for having good business practices and appealing to their customer base, just because they lost a few butthurt customers? Are you being a Serious Surt right now?
Originally posted by Lestov16
Not really. I don't agree with their shit, and I generally don't watch sports, but they have a ****ton of customers who do and they're still making a profit, even with losses, which is what all businesses are supposed to do.Let me get this straight, you're mad at the NBA for having good business practices and appealing to their customer base, just because they lost a few butthurt customers? Are you being a Serious Surt right now?
I never said I was mad, and they aren't practicing good business practices.
Do better with your next response please 👆
Originally posted by Surtur
I never said I was mad, and they aren't practicing good business practices.Do better with your next response please 👆
In the NBA's and all the corporations' defense, those that participated in virtue signaling and pretending that black lives mattered to their business, they thought it would help win them more business by being "woke."
We've known for years, now, that this woke bullshit never works. It's due to disconnected HR and PR personnel in these corporations being hired into these companies, bringing in their woke college-indoctrination, and thinking the real world works like they learned in progressive college campuses.
Wondering when business execs will look the HR and PR people dead in the eyes and say, "Get this woke bullshit out of my face. It never makes a company money to do this. Stop wasting our marketing dollars. Read any research into the market about how effective this is. You should have been taught this in college. It is the basics of business.
If you bring something like this to me again, you'll be looking for a job at another organization."
Instead, these execs, in their narcissism, think it's a great idea to virtue signal to show the world how great they are.
Stupid social media. That's what is really to blame.
Originally posted by dadudemon
In the NBA's and all the corporations' defense, those that participated in virtue signaling and pretending that black lives mattered to their business, they thought it would help win them more business by being "woke."We've known for years, now, that this woke bullshit never works. It's due to disconnected HR and PR personnel in these corporations being hired into these companies, bringing in their woke college-indoctrination, and thinking the real world works like they learned in progressive college campuses.
Wondering when business execs will look the HR and PR people dead in the eyes and say, "Get this woke bullshit out of my face. It never makes a company money to do this. Stop wasting our marketing dollars. Read any research into the market about how effective this is. You should have been taught this in college. It is the basics of business.
If you bring something like this to me again, you'll be looking for a job at another organization."
Instead, these execs, in their narcissism, think it's a great idea to virtue signal to show the world how great they are.
Stupid social media. That's what is really to blame.
The way I've heard it, most high level execs have aspirations of being President of the US someday.
So going against Woke is career suicide to the aspiring politician.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
I don't understand why people always compare teachers to athletes, and I also don't understand why people think salaries are a zero-sum game.Teachers and athletes have really nothing in common. Teachers are paid by the state. Athletes work for private entities and their money does not come from taxpayers- the Lions share of the money that athletes make comes from companies like Nike choosing to pay them millions of dollars. So it's not like athletes are competing with teachers and taking money that would be going to teachers. If pro athletes received 1/4 of the money that they're getting now, that would not translate to teachers getting paid more.
Conversely, if teachers got paid more that wouldn't have any effect on athletes. So why are athletes even part of the discussion? Just pay teachers more money.
That is not entirely true. The national sports leagues are non-profits, so they pay no taxes. They are also exempt from antitrust laws, so their broadcast deals are effectively a license to print unlimited amounts of money. And taxpayers fund the arenas and stadiums. If the taxpayers stopped propping up national sports leagues, and they actually started paying their fair share, we could actually pay public school teachers what they deserve.
Originally posted by dadudemon
In the NBA's and all the corporations' defense, those that participated in virtue signaling and pretending that black lives mattered to their business, they thought it would help win them more business by being "woke."We've known for years, now, that this woke bullshit never works. It's due to disconnected HR and PR personnel in these corporations being hired into these companies, bringing in their woke college-indoctrination, and thinking the real world works like they learned in progressive college campuses.
Wondering when business execs will look the HR and PR people dead in the eyes and say, "Get this woke bullshit out of my face. It never makes a company money to do this. Stop wasting our marketing dollars. Read any research into the market about how effective this is. You should have been taught this in college. It is the basics of business.
If you bring something like this to me again, you'll be looking for a job at another organization."
Instead, these execs, in their narcissism, think it's a great idea to virtue signal to show the world how great they are.
Stupid social media. That's what is really to blame.
Oh yeah I never was under the impression they actually care about these issues, they just hoped it would make them even more money than they already do.
The funny thing is the "woke" crowd will praise the virtue signaling, but it won't magically turn them into fans of sports. So they'll praise it, blog about it, but not actually watch the games or buy the merchandise.
I think there should be "quiet" times, free from such messaging. They don't have to be fixed, the degree of "insertion" can be flexible. But generally, maximum is seldom optimum, and too much messaging, especially in emotionally incendiary times, can be counterproductive. You don't just want to be heard; you want your message to be thoughtfully considered. And I think that's harder to achieve when there's no escape from it, this having the additional effect of minimizing what we do have in common (eg, love of the game).
Think of it as recovery between workouts. It's during rest and recovery that the muscle actually grows.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That is not entirely true. The national sports leagues are non-profits, so they pay no taxes. They are also exempt from antitrust laws, so their broadcast deals are effectively a license to print unlimited amounts of money. And taxpayers fund the arenas and stadiums. If the taxpayers stopped propping up national sports leagues, and they actually started paying their fair share, we could actually pay public school teachers what they deserve.
You should be more honest with how you throw around facts like those. Someone might read your post and take away a false idea about what you were really trying to say.
The individual teams are not non-profits.
The leagues themselves, are. Such as the NHL and the NFL. But not the teams such as the Philadelphia Fliers or the Chicago Bears.
The tax exemption does not apply to the individual teams, which must pay taxes on their profits (although there are other advantageous aspects in the tax code for the teams). The tax exemption applies to the central league offices, which coordinate and manage the affairs of the entire operation.The leagues are not profit centers. They are pass-through entities that pay salaries for their personnel; cover other expenses such as office rent, legal and consulting fees, travel and entertainment; and then distribute any surplus to the teams.
To be sure, in 2007 Major League Baseball opted to forgo its 501(c)(6) tax-exempt status (and the N.B.A. has never been tax exempt). It did so to avoid the onerous Form 990 reporting requirements of tax-exempt organizations and with the knowledge that they would pay no income tax after losing their special status.
Life is simpler now for the M.L.B. For one, they don’t have to make public the salaries of their top executives. These executives, however, still have to file individual tax returns and pay income taxes.
The N.F.L., N.H.L., P.G.A. and L.G.P.A. have chosen to retain their tax exempt status. For the N.F.L., this decision is likely because of a small and idiosyncratic tax liability if the league were to transition out of 501(c)(6) status. The liability would result from a debt forgiveness policy in its previous stadium loan program – a program that reduced public financing for new stadiums.
Meanwhile, Form 990 reporting requirements provide a window into the N.F.L.’s extravagance: For the 2012 calendar year, Roger Goodell, the N.F.L. commissioner, was paid $44.2 million in compensation.
There are lots of aspects of the U.S. tax code that need serious work. Revoking 501(c)(6) status for the sports leagues is not one of them.