The Endless enter the Marvel Universe

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zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

The Endless enter the Marvel Universe

Destiny, Death, Dream, Destruction, Desire, Delirium, Despair enter the Marvel universe. Where would you place them tier wise using the following as an example :

S Tier : Living Tribunal
A Tier : Death, Eternity, Infinity, Oblivion
B Tier : Order, Chaos, Love Hate
C Tier : Galactus, Elite Celestials (Tiamut, Exitar, etc..), Elite Watchers (forgot their names 😄 )
D Tier : High End Skyfathers (Odin, Thor with Odinforce, etc..), average Celestials

IMHO -
S Tier : Death, Destiny
A Tier : Desire, Dream, Destruction
B Tier : Delirium, Despair

Despair could be moved up to A Tier, I'm undecided.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Tiering is good. Except Destiny is lacking in feats by himself.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Despair and Desire are a pair, but I would probably place them all in A-Tier with the ability to pull to S-tier feats under the right circumstances.

SquallX Senior Member

Can current LT even be considered S tier anymore?

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by SquallX
Can current LT even be considered S tier anymore?

It's weird because according to the Ultimates Multi-Eternity is greater than the Living Tribunal who in turn is greater than individual Eternities.

MrMind Senior Member

no endless are all s tier, each one of them is individually above living tribunal, who is a peer to spectre

endless are above spectre

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Astner
Despair and Desire are a pair, but I would probably place them all in A-Tier with the ability to pull to S-tier feats under the right circumstances.

Death is DEFINITELY S Tier. She has the power to destroy another Abstract on the level of the Endless. Desire was trying to pick a fight with Dream and Death told him/her to stop or she'd end his/her existence. Apparently it wasn't an ideal threat because Desire sh|t his/her pants and stopped immediately.

IMHO, Death is by far the most powerful of the Endless (which is saying a lot seeing as how a portion of Dream's power was capable of creating multiple entire universes/dimensions).

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Dream created an entire new creation in overture just recently.

MrMind Senior Member

And Daniel did the same thing

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dream created an entire new creation in overture just recently.

Overture concluded five years ago.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

That's recently for Endless.

😛

deft Senior Member

S Tier: Destruction, Death and Destiny
A Tier: Dream and Desire
B Tier: Despair and Delirium

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Destiny is lacking in feats by himself.

The most important feat he has IMHO, is when he told Dream to back down when he threatened to fight Desire (Dream was legit out for blood because he hates Desire with passion). Dream even stated that he would have attacked Desire if Destiny didn't intervene.

Also worth noting in this issue where all this happened, Desire has no fear of Dream and constantly provokes him into a fight. In fact, Desire stated outright that it could manipulate Dream into wanting something he didn't want (He was offered a grape by Death and he said he didn't want one. Desire told him it could MAKE him want that grape.).

Old Man Whirly! Restricted

they are all as powerful as the story needs, but below Michael and Lucifer. In my opinion they are all a/b tier.

But battle is not what the Endless are about.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

I'd probably put Destruction in the S Tier as well, by virtue of the concept that he embodies. /shrug

Old Man Whirly! Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
I'd probably put Destruction in the S Tier as well, by virtue of the concept that he embodies. /shrug
But they are literally one aspect ponies.

wxyz Restricted

They control their opposites too iirc.

Old Man Whirly! Restricted

Originally posted by wxyz
They control their opposites too iirc.
Well they can change delirium was delight etc. But basically, they are embodied ideas and Something like the Living Tribunal or Lucifer controls concepts.

MrMind Senior Member

LT is not on the level of Endless or Lucifer

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by MrMind
LT is not on the level of Endless or Lucifer

The Endless aren't that impressive. Most of their "power" comes from scaling with the main DC continuity. After all, Gaiman only worked with a universe, not alternate time-lines or anything like that. And it's not like the Endless have particularly impressive feats in the main series.