Originally posted by Astner
The Endless aren't that impressive. Most of their "power" comes from scaling with the main DC continuity. After all, Gaiman only worked with a universe, not alternate time-lines or anything like that. And it's not like the Endless have particularly impressive feats in the main series.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You're talking like LT isn't mostly about scaling.
But that feat was used to inflate him to the point that every subsequent showing turned out to be some form of PIS or jobbing, because the standard that we had set for him in terms of feats was so far above the standard of the writers.
That said, Death of the Endlessless seems very similar in nature to Marvel's Death. The only difference seems to be that Death of the Endless will reap her siblings at the end of time, and as far as I know Marvel's Abstract Beings aren't subject to Death in the same sense.
Originally posted by Astner
That said, Death of the Endlessless seems very similar in nature to Marvel's Death. The only difference seems to be that Death of the Endless will reap her siblings at the end of time, and as far as I know Marvel's Abstract Beings aren't subject to Death in the same sense.
Give me an example of Marvel Death putting the fear of God into another abstract like that.
Originally posted by zopzop
Endless Death is FAR above Marvel Death. She doesn't have to wait till the end of time to kill/reap her siblings. She can destroy an abstract whenever she wants. Desire, at LEAST a universal abstract, sh|t his/her pants when Death threatened it with annihilation.
As for threats, they're not feats. We don't know what it would take for Death to kill Desire or even if she is capable of it under normal circumstances.
But she seems to serve the same function as Marvel's Death, that's why I assume they're similar in power. Because they've not done enough to distinguish themselves in relation to one another.
Originally posted by MrMind
Originally posted by Astner
That's true as well. The only real multiversal feat I've seen is when he held the two Amalgam Brothers in the palm of his hand who (according to the handbooks) where the embodiments of megaverses.
That was a pretty inconsequential comic tie in to an animated show which pretty no writer has ever referenced. It might as well be non canon.
But that feat was used to inflate him to the point that every subsequent showing turned out to be some form of PIS or jobbing, because the standard that we had set for him in terms of feats was so far above the standard of the writers.
Exactly. Most of his feats are from Starlin who revealed him as a universal abstract.
That said, Death of the Endlessless seems very similar in nature to Marvel's Death. The only difference seems to be that Death of the Endless will reap her siblings at the end of time, and as far as I know Marvel's Abstract Beings aren't subject to Death in the same sense.
Marvel death has too many low showings to consider at that level.
Originally posted by Astner
Gaiman only worked with a universe. That's why he never mentioned a multiverse. So they would be universal, unless you're going with the main continuity's take on them.As for threats, they're not feats. We don't know what it would take for Death to kill Desire or even if she is capable of it under normal circumstances.
But she seems to serve the same function as Marvel's Death, that's why I assume they're similar in power. Because they've not done enough to distinguish themselves in relation to one another.
This isn't from the same comic as the other scans, and it specifically says universe.
yes sherlock, dream did it in two instances, like i mentioned, try reading my post bud
Originally posted by MrMind
lol let me know when LT can recreate multiverse/omniverse like daniel and morpheus did, twice
once morpheus did it in overture
once daniel did it in the new dreaming book
and it's absolutely a multiverse are you crazy....
your lowballing is so fukin weird, it's like you are repeating the talking point of typical dc lowballer like this guy deagonx
comicvine would suit you but not here dude
Originally posted by Astneragreed, the stories they are in are not those kind of stories. Dream has said before Lucifer is much more powerful than him and is shit scared of Lucifer.
The Endless aren't that impressive. Most of their "power" comes from scaling with the main DC continuity. After all, Gaiman only worked with a universe, not alternate time-lines or anything like that. And it's not like the Endless have particularly impressive feats in the main series.
Originally posted by Astner
As for threats, they're not feats. We don't know what it would take for Death to kill Desire or even if she is capable of it under normal circumstances.But she seems to serve the same function as Marvel's Death, that's why I assume they're similar in power. Because they've not done enough to distinguish themselves in relation to one another.
Originally posted by zopzop
Endless Death is FAR above Marvel Death. She doesn't have to wait till the end of time to kill/reap her siblings. She can destroy an abstract whenever she wants. Desire, at LEAST a universal abstract, sh|t his/her pants when Death threatened it with annihilation.Give me an example of Marvel Death putting the fear of God into another abstract like that.
I don't see what the big deal about making a universal entity scared, especially if we are talking about multiversal entities here.
But if we are talking about taking out universal level creatures....616 death with a WAVEof a hand oneshotted every single MAO on the cancerverse, a fraction of that power bled out into the 616 verse and atomized the GE, the GE took on two primordial gods, over a dozen Celestials including Arishem, an elite celestial who was one of two to split the Early universe into a multiverse and would fodderize a universal entity and a well fed Galan, who was stronger than nearly everyone there put together at that point. The GE handled them all at the same time and was winning, the MAOs were far stronger
This is just 616 death that oneshotted every single one of them, an infinitesimal aspect of the actual thing
Threatening an "at least universal" abstract is nothing, a celestial did that to kubik, lol
As far as fighting another abstract goes, the tribunal would stomp then upside the head of they acted away from their "function" anyway, so it's not like they can just pick fights anyhow
Originally posted by Genii96
I don't see what the big deal about making a universal entity scared, especially if we are talking about multiversal entities here.But if we are talking about taking out universal level creatures....616 death with a WAVEof a hand oneshotted every single MAO on the cancerverse, a fraction of that power bled out into the 616 verse and atomized the GE, the GE took on two primordial gods, over a dozen Celestials including Arishem, an elite celestial who was one of two to split the Early universe into a multiverse and would fodderize a universal entity and a well fed Galan, who was stronger than nearly everyone there put together at that point. The GE handled them all at the same time and was winning, the MAOs were far stronger
This is just 616 death that oneshotted every single one of them, an infinitesimal aspect of the actual thing
Threatening an "at least universal" abstract is nothing, a celestial did that to kubik, lol
Originally posted by Astner
You can call it whatever you want, but I'm going to refer to it the way the comics do.
The Dreaming contains even the dreams of those in space beyond space
when Lucifer adapts his perception to the Overvoid, he witnessed Creations rise and fall,
he finally find out all the Creations take up, essentially, none of the Overvoid
which coincide with what snyder said, infinite creationes in dc omniverse
Originally posted by Astner
You can call it whatever you want, but I'm going to refer to it the way the comics do.
The interplay of Night and Time made all versions of Creation possible
Night and Time are the parents of the Endless, and it is their interplay that makes all versions of Creation possible. This is one of many instances in which knowledge of greater context is needed to accurately interpret the text. In the context of this story, as well as in all of Gaiman's work and most Vertigo titles, "universe" is used for its less physics-based meaning: the totality of all Creation.
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This is shown by Desire's statement about the afterlife, eternity, and reality as he sees it, will be done
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the location of the City of the Stars, City of the Stars exists in the far realms, above the real
Now we must examine exactly how "endless" the Endless are. It is displayed more than once that they are explicitly not bound to one Creation. When we see Dream, or Destiny, or Death, we are only looking at one point of view. Furthermore, Destiny is drawn transcending Creation on the Multiverse Map.
It is not possible to escape Death even by escaping the death of your entire Creation into the Overvoid. More than that, Death operates in all Creations within the Greater Omniverse
For example, the same Death naturally appeared in Lucifer's Creation
There is nothing that exists that is not in Destiny's book
To Destiny, all stories are simply illusions
Originally posted by MrMind
It is not possible to escape Death even by escaping the death of your entire Creation into the Overvoid. More than that, Death operates in all Creations within the Greater OmniverseFor example, the same Death naturally appeared in Lucifer's Creation