Equality and Human Rights Commission finds Labour Party guilty of antisemitism

A report into allegations of anti-Semitism in Labour found the party was "responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination".

The UK's human rights watchdog identified "serious failings" under former leader Jeremy Corbyn to deal with anti-Jewish racism.

And the watchdog said Mr Corbyn's office had "politically interfered" in the complaints process.

Labour's new leader Sir Keir Starmer said it was "a day of shame".

He promised to implement the recommendations of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) "as soon as possible in the New Year" and to "change the culture" of the party.

Ugly and dissappointing findings, but not much of a suprise. Less suprising that the cabal of Corbyn fantastics continue to deny, repress and obfuscate even in the face of such strong evidence that Labour has an anti-semitism problem.

Hopefully Keir Starmer is serious about taking action and can actually make the party electable again.

I saw many people, in the US, defend Corbyn, all of them "progressives", and say he wasn't anti semitic at all.

Quite obvious anti Israel and anti semitism have a fine line between them.

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

Ugly and dissappointing findings, but not much of a suprise. Less suprising that the cabal of Corbyn fantastics continue to deny, repress and obfuscate even in the face of such strong evidence that Labour has an anti-semitism problem.

Hopefully Keir Starmer is serious about taking action and can actually make the party electable again.

Eh, I don't know what to make of Corbyn's character but I don't think its particularly relevant. The problem is that he failed to adequately deal with insitutional antisemitism within in his own party, who many of his supporters actively deny exists at all.

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
Eh, I don't know what to make of Corbyn's character but I don't think its particularly relevant. The problem is that he failed to adequately deal with insitutional antisemitism within in his own party, who many of his supporters actively deny exists at all.

I do agree with that, unfortunately the report reveals examples that are far more troubling and vitriolic, and often from office wielding members of the party. Some of the things they found Labour members guilty of:

• diminished the scale or significance of the Holocaust
• expressed support for Hitler or the Nazis
• compared Israelis to Hitler or the Nazis
• described a 'witch hunt' in the Labour Party, or said that complaints had
been manufactured by the 'Israel lobby'
• referenced conspiracies about the Rothschilds and Jewish power and
control over financial or other institutions
• blamed Jewish people for the 'antisemitism crisis' in the Labour Party
• blamed Jewish people generally for actions of the state of Israel
• used 'Zio' as an antisemitic term, and
• accused British Jews of greater loyalty to Israel than Britain

There is indeed a fine line between criticising the Israeli govt. and making anti-semitic comments, but it seems clear that line has been crossed many many times. And then some of this is just textbook anti-semitic rubbish.

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
I do agree with that, unfortunately the report reveals examples that are far more troubling and vitriolic, and often from office wielding members of the party. Some of the things they found Labour members guilty of:

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/investigation-into-antisemitism-in-the-labour-party.pdf

There is indeed a fine line between criticising the Israeli govt. and making anti-semitic comments, but it seems clear that line has been crossed many many times. And then some of this is just textbook anti-semitic rubbish.

Wow, breaking news. Jeremy Corbyn has now been suspended from his own party:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425?at_custom3=%40BBCBreaking&at_custom4=52949E30-19E9-11EB-976B-68AA96E8478F&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7

The one problem with Corbyn was that he would have actually helped the people of the UK, so the corporate owned media united together to install Johnson as PM. That's not speculation either, studies have shown that the UK media has unitedly given bad press to Corbyn and overwhelmingly good press for Johnson, and now we see what that has cost, the inept Tory government has handled the Covid crisis the worst in Europe, tens of thousands of Brits have died because billionaires and aristocrats did not want to pay their zero-hour employee slaves a quid more.

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
Wow, breaking news. Jeremy Corbyn has now been suspended from his own party:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425?at_custom3=%40BBCBreaking&at_custom4=52949E30-19E9-11EB-976B-68AA96E8478F&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7

Originally posted by Artol
The one problem with Corbyn was that he would have actually helped the people of the UK, so the corporate owned media united together to install Johnson as PM. That's not speculation either, studies have shown that the UK media has unitedly given bad press to Corbyn and overwhelmingly good press for Johnson, and now we see what that has cost, the inept Tory government has handled the Covid crisis the worst in Europe, tens of thousands of Brits have died because billionaires and aristocrats did not want to pay their zero-hour employee slaves a quid more.

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
Wow, breaking news. Jeremy Corbyn has now been suspended from his own party:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425?at_custom3=%40BBCBreaking&at_custom4=52949E30-19E9-11EB-976B-68AA96E8478F&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7

The establishment take over of the Labour party has been completed then. We are in the Empire Strikes Back face, New Labour, in large part to blame for so much of the poverty and distress in the UK is coming back with its neo-liberal nonsense.

The anti-semitism accusation is of course somewhat rich coming from the "if you want a ****** for your neighbor vote Liberal or Labour" Party...

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Sad, to see, but politically understandable. He was in charge and a scapegoat is needed. It also sends all sorts of messages out we are a centre-left party now, we are reforming, we are safe. Starmer is a master strategist no doubt. Sad for Corbyn, he is culpable to a point but did not deserve these, pleased for the country because we need an electable Labour party to save it. All true 👆

He cannot continue to downplay this issue, he's just hurting the party at this point.

EDIT: I do agree that he could have made a good leader, and the press was against him. But his failure to deal with the anti-semitism issue was an act of self-sabotage that just gave his opponents ammunition, and it cost him the election.

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
Sad for Corbyn, but he put his foot in it by responding to the report by saying the issue was "dramatically overstated", which appears to be why he got kicked out.

He cannot continue to downplay this issue, he's just hurting the party at this point.

EDIT: I do agree that he could have made a good leader, and the press was against him. But his failure to deal with the anti-semitism issue was an act of self-sabotage that just gave his opponents ammunition, and it cost him the election.

"Naz Shah’s social media posts included an image suggesting that Israel should be relocated to the United States, with the comment ‘problem solved’, and a post in which she appeared to liken Israeli policies to those of Hitler. Naz Shah apologised for her comments in Parliament on 27 April 2016.
In media interviews between 28 and 30 April 2016, Ken Livingstone denied that these posts were antisemitic. He sought to minimise their offensive nature by stating that they were merely criticism of Israeli policy at a time of conflict with the Palestinians. He also alleged that scrutiny of Naz Shah’s conduct was part of an apparent smear campaign by ‘the Israel lobby’ to stigmatise critics of Israel as antisemitic, as well as being aimed at undermining and disrupting the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn MP."

This is literally the worst accusation they make in that whole report. It's a joke.

Originally posted by Artol
The establishment take over of the Labour party has been completed then. We are in the Empire Strikes Back face, New Labour, in large part to blame for so much of the poverty and distress in the UK is coming back with its neo-liberal nonsense.

The anti-semitism accusation is of course somewhat rich coming from the "if you want a ****** for your neighbor vote Liberal or Labour" Party...

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
Sad for Corbyn, but he put his foot in it by responding to the report by saying the issue was "dramatically overstated", which appears to be why he got kicked out.

He cannot continue to downplay this issue, he's just hurting the party at this point.

EDIT: I do agree that he could have made a good leader, and the press was against him. But his failure to deal with the anti-semitism issue was an act of self-sabotage that just gave his opponents ammunition, and it cost him the election.

Originally posted by Artol
The anti-semitism accusation is of course somewhat rich coming from the "if you want a ****** for your neighbor vote Liberal or Labour" Party...

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
The anti-semitism accusation didn't come from the tories, it came from people within his own party. More than 70 whisteblowers in total. Seventy.

Originally posted by Artol
It was dramatically overstated. You can read it in that report yourself.

"Naz Shah’s social media posts included an image suggesting that Israel should be relocated to the United States, with the comment ‘problem solved’, and a post in which she appeared to liken Israeli policies to those of Hitler. Naz Shah apologised for her comments in Parliament on 27 April 2016.
In media interviews between 28 and 30 April 2016, Ken Livingstone denied that these posts were antisemitic. He sought to minimise their offensive nature by stating that they were merely criticism of Israeli policy at a time of conflict with the Palestinians. He also alleged that scrutiny of Naz Shah’s conduct was part of an apparent smear campaign by ‘the Israel lobby’ to stigmatise critics of Israel as antisemitic, as well as being aimed at undermining and disrupting the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn MP."

This is literally the worst accusation they make in that whole report. It's a joke.

I consider this to be far worse.

In 2016, a Labour councillor shared an image of Jewish banker, Jacob
Rothschild, on their Facebook page along with a caption claiming that
the Rothschild family and other institutions, including the City of London
and the Vatican, 'own our News, our Media, our Oil and even our
governments'. It does not appear that this was investigated at all

And this.

On 23 April 2019, an NEC Disputes Panel imposed a formal warning on
a member for antisemitic posts on social media, although the GLU
recommended that the case should be referred to the NCC. The social
media comments included: 'How can we not have empathy with the
Palestinians when they are up against these murdering, Zionest [sic]
bastards. Their NAZI masters taught them well'. Detailed notes of the
NEC Disputes Panel meeting and the reason for the sanction were not
kept.

And these are just examples based on a *sample* over 70 complaints. And that's mainly social media, some of the whisteblowers also experienced physical harrassment and assault.

Yeah, and if all of them conflate valid criticism of Israel with anti-semitism, like in the worst accusation. I understand that in the US and the UK for the longest time this has been claimed to be the same, but it is not. Israel is a gigantic Apartheid state that massively oppresses the Palestinian population that it has caged in open air camps.

It also is a nuclear state that is not a member of any of the treaties. By the laws of the United States they could not do business with them, and yet they cover for them in the UN Security Council. Everyone knows this. There are anti-semites, they are overwhelmingly right wing however, left wing politicians just do not like one of the most authoritarian right wing states that's overseeing one of the largest humanitarian crisis on this planet.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Yeah, it did, and he should have acted on it. I think Artol meant the responses from the Tories not the accusation came from them DA mate.

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
I did read it, that was not the worst accusation. That was one of the few they found Labour to be "legally responsible for".

I consider this to be far worse.

And this.

And these are just examples based on a *sample* over 70 complaints. And that's mainly social media, some of the whisteblowers also experienced physical harrassment and assault. [/B]

I consider only the ones you can say Labour is actually responsible for as a sign that Labour misbehaved, of course there will be examples of bad things, like the ones you pointed out, but if Labour aren't culpable, why should they be culpable....makes no sense.