Silver Surfer vs 5 Imperiex probes

Originally posted by carver9
First he would go intangible, then he would create a blackhole as a distraction. While everyone is fighting against the pull while some is being completely engulfed by it, he would blast and drain the rest that is fighting to even survive the Black hole. He then create multiple red suns and clones, etc...

All of this is possible and is within Surfer capabilities of doing. He IS the most versatile character in comics. Like speed, Surfer isn't dumb to forget what he can do.

You're describing things you would do with his powerset. Not what he would do in the same situation.

A lot of people on this forum still don't get the difference, and it's getting tiresome.

It's......staggering, sometimes.

Flash can run/move really fast. In a comic, he will get tagged by Deathstroke. On the forums, he will however use his speed to avoid getting tagged.

This DOESN'T mean that he would spam the battlefield with timeclones who burn his opponents' eyes out whilst boiling opponents alive etc - even though he has done all of this in canon comics.

Yet Surfer suddenly becomes this uber guy who uses every single one of his powers at once, lol.

Surfer can use pretty much all their powers in some way, shape, or form. He also has a sense of he chooses to use it that could negate/neutralize the whole team.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's......staggering, sometimes.

Flash can run/move really fast. In a comic, he will get tagged by Deathstroke. On the forums, he will however use his speed to avoid getting tagged.

This DOESN'T mean that he would spam the battlefield with timeclones who burn his opponents' eyes out whilst boiling opponents alive etc - even though he has done all of this in canon comics.

Yet Surfer suddenly becomes this uber guy who uses every single one of his powers at once, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's......staggering, sometimes.

Flash can run/move really fast. In a comic, he will get tagged by Deathstroke. On the forums, he will however use his speed to avoid getting tagged.

This DOESN'T mean that he would spam the battlefield with timeclones who burn his opponents' eyes out whilst boiling opponents alive etc - even though he has done all of this in canon comics.

Yet Surfer suddenly becomes this uber guy who uses every single one of his powers at once, lol.

Mhmm.

Originally posted by JBL
Why not? DC fans make that claim and no one says a thing. There are threads about Superman vs annihilators and Superman vs Avengers. Go look at the ridiculous claims people say Superman could do. Where are you then? The love for Superman on this site is ridiculous.

He's talking about Flash. You're talking about Superman. There's a difference. Don't twist people's words.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's......staggering, sometimes.

Flash can run/move really fast. In a comic, he will get tagged by Deathstroke. On the forums, he will however use his speed to avoid getting tagged.

This DOESN'T mean that he would spam the battlefield with timeclones who burn his opponents' eyes out whilst boiling opponents alive etc - even though he has done all of this in canon comics.

Yet Surfer suddenly becomes this uber guy who uses every single one of his powers at once, lol.

When describing a fictional character that has been written by multiple people in different story lines, ALL you can DO is use that source info to determine how he would win in an vs battle. Would he do this? We don't know. Could he? Yes. So There's zero issue with it

Originally posted by -Pr-
Mhmm.

He's talking about Flash. You're talking about Superman. There's a difference. Don't twist people's words.

SS gets beat down

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
When describing a fictional character that has been written by multiple people in different story lines, ALL you can DO is use that source info to determine how he would win in an vs battle. Would he do this? We don't know. Could he? Yes. So There's zero issue with it

Sounds like you need to read the rules. Or re-read them.

Originally posted by JBL
The point is that when someone says what a Marvel character can do, DC fans complain, but when their own group of DC fans say what a DC character can do, they ALL agree without question.

That's... not true.

Originally posted by JBL
Why not? DC fans make that claim and no one says a thing. There are threads about Superman vs annihilators and Superman vs Avengers. Go look at the ridiculous claims people say Superman could do. Where are you then? The love for Superman on this site is ridiculous.

So in every Flash thread, he's allowed to spam the battlefield with time clones, each and every one allowed to speed steal, throw lightning, become intangible, create magnetic fields, boil the opponents fluids, burn their eyes out, remove vital organs, IMP AND BFR into the Speedforce etc, all at the speed of light?

I mean, Superman is perfectly capable of literally biting his opponent's face off. Like, chew it off at superspeed like a zombie. Does anyone argue he does this?

Why not? Because it's not in his character to do so. But theres nothing stopping him from doing so, right?

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're describing things you would do with his powerset. Not what he would do in the same situation.

A lot of people on this forum still don't get the difference, and it's getting tiresome.

I never debate like this but it gets to a point where you really don't have a choice when the entire forum leans this way.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So in every Flash thread, he's allowed to spam the battlefield with time clones, each and every one allowed to speed steal, throw lightning, become intangible, create magnetic fields, boil the opponents fluids, burn their eyes out, remove vital organs, IMP AND BFR into the Speedforce etc, all at the speed of light?

I mean, Superman is perfectly capable of literally biting his opponent's face off. Like, chew it off at superspeed like a zombie. Does anyone argue he does this?

Why not? Because it's not in his character to do so. But theres nothing stopping him from doing so, right?

Surf wouldnt mind going hard against lifeless probes. Anyways op said bloodlusted so moot. Serious surfer can take em.

Originally posted by carver9
I never debate like this but it gets to a point where you really don't have a choice when the entire forum leans this way.

That's... not a good answer to give.

The Surfer can do all of this. That is true. He doesn't usually use all of his abilities, but would he if he were up against this level of opposition should really be the question. Since he does possess these abilities, why not? In a way it's like saying that Superman wouldn't use his speed while facing Grundy, since this has been the case many time when up against far slower opponents. But then people will argue that in a forum setting he would go all out or at least should go all out for the win. I don't see why the Surfer isn't allowed to use all of his abilities on a forum setting? Why the handcuffs? If the Probes get ruined by him going all out what's the big deal?

Originally posted by Stoic
The Surfer can do all of this. That is true. He doesn't usually use all of his abilities, but would he if he were up against this level of opposition should really be the question. Since he does possess these abilities, why not? In a way it's like saying that Superman wouldn't use his speed while facing Grundy, since this has been the case many time when up against far slower opponents. But then people will argue that in a forum setting he would go all out or at least should go all out for the win. I don't see why the Surfer isn't allowed to use all of his abilities on a forum setting? Why the handcuffs? If the Probes get ruined by him going all out what's the big deal?

No handcuffs. We just require proof of these things.

Proof that Surfer can go intangible in a battle or at all. Phasing through walls by shifting one's molecules is not the same thing as being intangible.

Proof that he has access to his full powers while intangible. For example, can he shoot blasts while in ghost form?

Proof that he will think of going intangible over the 100 different powers to choose from.

Proof that he create black holes without touching something not very durable, causing it to become a black hole and taking less than 1 second to do

Proof that he can drain a probe. Draining Hulk via touch isn't proof.

Surfer wins in a hard fought victory. Much easier if it's the Blacked.com version.

somali pirate version?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Surfer wins in a hard fought victory. Much easier if it's the Blacked.com version.

What tactics do you see Surfer doing to win?

Originally posted by h1a8
No handcuffs. We just require proof of these things.

Proof that Surfer can go intangible in a battle or at all. Phasing through walls by shifting one's molecules is not the same thing as being intangible.

Proof that he has access to his full powers while intangible. For example, can he shoot blasts while in ghost form?

Proof that he will think of going intangible over the 100 different powers to choose from.

Proof that he create black holes without touching something not very durable, causing it to become a black hole and taking less than 1 second to do

Proof that he can drain a probe. Draining Hulk via touch isn't proof.