Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, all we have is that he held them apart until the planets broke.If I held two balloons apart until the balloons popped, you're not seriously going to suggest I - for the briefest amount of time - stopped two speeding trucks(that they were attached to) in their tracks?
You would not hold them apart at all and they would pop immediately. In the case of the comic book incursion, the planets remained intact for a perceptable period of time, which the balloons would not.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
You would not hold them apart at all and they would pop immediately. In the case of the comic book incursion, the planets remained intact for a perceptable period of time, which the balloons would not.
My sentence has the exact structure as the comic, only with some word substitutions.
"By the time the balloons were about to touch, he was all that remained of them. Darksaint held them apart...until the balloons broke, the cascading energy collapsing two entire trucks"
So I guess we have to assume the balloons set off a cascading energy thingy that destroys trucks, lol, but otherwise - it's exactly the same.
You say that the balloons pop immediately, but this is false. There will be an incredibly teensy weensy tiny amount of time that they don't - up until the durability of the balloons are overridden.
Originally posted by h1a8
That is false. The onus is on the one assigning special attributes to a character to prove they have them.
If there is no evidence of a character having a special attribute (with a specific magnitude) then no one can claim that character has them.
Lastly, absence of evidence of a special attribute = writer's intent for the character not having that special attribute.
No one is really assigning that attribute to Knull, but rather someone is dismissing that attribute. Such dismissal is a positive assertion of a what a character lacks, therefore the onus is on those making that assertion.
As far as writer intent, one can just as easily or moreso say that when we see Mongul landing effectively against and even beating Superman, the writer's intent is that Superman's speed capacity is not enough to leave Mongul a sitting duck statue.
I would say that writer intent is to leave speed ambiguous so as to not be bogged down by it while also being able to resort to it when the story calls for.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
No one is really assigning that attribute to Knull, but rather someone is dismissing that attribute. Such dismissal is a positive assertion of a what a character lacks, therefore the onus is on those making that assertion.As far as writer intent, one can just as easily or moreso say that when we see Mongul landing effectively against and even beating Superman, the writer's intent is that Superman's speed capacity is not enough to leave Mongul a sitting duck statue.
I would say that writer intent is to leave speed ambiguous so as to not be bogged down by it while also being able to resort to it when the story calls for.
By default a character does not have a special attribute without proof.
Otherwise i can claim Superman casts a spell that erases Knull out of existence and no one can say im wrong.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
But the book specifically treats each Earth as a fixed part of it's respective universe, hence the island analogy given by Reid. It is for this reason that once the Earths make contact, both universes are destroyed due to colliding with universe level force.
In another comic it was shown that preventing planets from touching prevents the incursion. Alien races did it with tech.
I can lift a pencil and make the universe recede in the direction of the pencil movement in fiction.
I can push a planet and cause the universe to move in fiction.
There is no such thing as universe level force. Universes don't have a universe level force.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My sentence has the exact structure as the comic, only with some word substitutions."By the time the balloons were about to touch, he was all that remained of them. Darksaint held them apart...until the balloons broke, the cascading energy collapsing two entire trucks"
So I guess we have to assume the balloons set off a cascading energy thingy that destroys trucks, lol, but otherwise - it's exactly the same.
You say that the balloons pop immediately, but this is false. There will be an incredibly teensy weensy tiny amount of time that they don't - up until the durability of the balloons are overridden.
You would only be able to stop them from touching through utilizing their elasticity (which makes this a poor comparison to a planet) and even this would happen during an imperceptible amount of time. It is most logical to conclude that the narration refers to a perceptable amount of time.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
You would only be able to stop them from touching through utilizing their elasticity (which makes this a poor comparison to a planet) and even this would happen during an imperceptible amount of time. It is most logical to conclude that the narration refers to a perceptable amount of time.
Sure, replace the balloons with balls made of.... biscuits or something. Something crunchy.
There would still be AN amount of time where I held the trucks apart until the biscuit balls crumbled.
So I would have held the biscuit balls apart, until they broke.
Doesn't mean that I stopped two speeding trucks in their tracks.
Originally posted by h1a8
By default a character does not have a special attribute without proof.
Otherwise i can claim Superman casts a spell that erases Knull out of existence and no one can say im wrong.
Again, no one is attributing Superman level speed to Knull. Since his top speed has not been established, it's a moot point. Same with Superman casting spells.
What has been established is Superman's sucsceptibility to magic whereas any susceptibility to speedsters has not YET been established with Knull (it may happen in the future). Mere reason would suggest that Superman's sucsceptibility to magic would make spell casting by him highly unlikely.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sure, replace the balloons with balls made of.... biscuits or something. Something crunchy.There would still be AN amount of time where I held the trucks apart until the biscuit balls crumbled.
So I would have held the biscuit balls apart, until they broke.
Doesn't mean that I stopped two speeding trucks in their tracks.
You would not have held them apart at all.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
You would not have held them apart at all.
Not even an infinitesimally tiny amount of time? True instantaneous breaking?
That's not quite correct. Imagine my biscuit balls can withstand.....10grams of force.
Up until this ten grams is applied, I am holding them apart. Of course the trucks are exerting 10TONS (or whatever) of force, so this 10g is reached pretty quickly..... but until they crumble, I am holding them apart.
Like Hype held the Earths apart.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not even an infinitesimally tiny amount of time? True instantaneous breaking?That's not quite correct. Imagine my biscuit balls can withstand.....10grams of force.
Up until this ten grams is applied, I am holding them apart. Of course the trucks are exerting 10TONS (or whatever) of force, so this 10g is reached pretty quickly..... but until they crumble, I am holding them apart.
Like Hype held the Earths apart.
No. In this scenario, the biscuit is permanently fastened and fixed to the vehicle. It's thus part of the vehicle. So you are not at any point pushing against 10 grams, but rather pushing against 10.000001 tons.
It's a moot point being that nowhere is it stated nor implied that Hyperion holds them apart for only an "infinitesimally tiny amount of time". It gives no indication of a specific amount of time but, as I have repeated, it is certainly meant to be a perceptable amount of time.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
No. In this scenario, the biscuit is permanently fastened and fixed to the vehicle. It's thus part of the vehicle. So you are not at any point pushing against 10 grams, but rather pushing against 10.000001 tons.It's a moot point being that nowhere is it stated nor implied that Hyperion holds them apart for only an "infinitesimally tiny amount of time". It gives no indication of a specific amount of time but, as I have repeated, it is certainly meant to be a perceptable amount of time.
Nor is it stated that it was a perceptible amount of time.
He held the worlds apart until they broke.
Just like I held the biscuits apart until they break. Doesn't mean i stopped two trucks in their tracks.
Originally posted by h1a8only thing is knull keeps getting back up. Had his jaw demolished and didn’t even get knocked out. I think Superman has to obliterate him and he can. Those reality shattering punch obliterated a multiverse. Superman saves MU by obliterating Knull and turns his void into new mu continuity called earth 617. 👆
No he doesn't.
1. Knull will be a statue.
2. Knull is not immune to blunt force.
3. Superman is stronger than any physical attack Knull received.