Originally posted by wxyz
@GS, Beyonder and MM from Secret Wars 2.As for Protege and Scathan, I think it's obvious from the story arc, they were more powerful than the LT.
And what about classic Starbrand being more powerful than the 616 IG?
Those out of continuity versions of those characters would be more powerful than the IG. Thats not even a debate.
You can SAY you think that it was obvious from the story, but as i highlighted in my previous post there were a number of discrepancies in that story that mean the answer isn't clear cut.
For forum battles the only characters that can get a pass for not having feats are supreme beings.
Protege says he absorbed LTs powers and then got manhandled by a Celestial. Doesnt add up. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStormWhat the...
Protege is overrated. He allegedly duplicated the powers of the Living Tribunal and based on that decided to call himself The One Above All (although he duplicates powers based on witnessing them in use and he never witnessed TOAA showing that declaration was false)Protege however never did anything feat wise to show that he had actually managed to duplicate LT's power, (he only assumed a similar form)
Further placing doubt on the matter is he was then defeated by a single Celestial
But bafflingly instead of using that incident to say Proteges claims were exaggerated/false, people elevate this random Celestial to LT levels based on paper thin evidence.
It just doesn't hold up. 😬
As for number 4, do you mean The Beyonders as in the cumulative power of the entire race? The Beyonder entity alone by canon would be below the Abstracts and on the same rung as Galactus/The Celestials
616 Jaspers never displayed anywhere near the power of the IG. He did a global scale reality warp that was said to have the potential to expand and become a threat to the omniverse. But thats in a similar manner to how a fire started within a garbage can if left unchecked could grow and take out a house and even a row of houses. Jaspers would go on to be dispatched by a single Fury. We never got to see if Jaspers could reach such potential.
Tellingly, Jim Jaspers never made it on to the official list of omega mutants. Why? Because he is not the most powerful reality warper in his class. Franklin Richards outdoes him 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Molecule Man (before the Beyonder power was used for the recreation of multiverse)
God Doom
HOTI
LT
Phoenix Consciousness
Multi-Eternity
White Phoenix of the Crown
Marquis of DeathI haven't included the Beyonders as they are a race as opposed to an individual.
I also haven't included any out of continuity/retconned characters as that wouldn't make sense.
Originally posted by deft
Sise-Neg and True Legion
Not sure about Sise-Neg, but Legion most certainly is not, unless you believe that Nate Grey is also above the IG. I'd be interested to learn if I am correct here, because Nate recently defeated Legion, but again I may be missing some critical context.
Originally posted by wxyz
@GS, Beyonder and MM from Secret Wars 2.As for Protege and Scathan, I think it's obvious from the story arc, they were more powerful than the LT.
And what about classic Starbrand being more powerful than the 616 IG?
Classic Starbrand doesnt have the feats to place it beyond even the Abstracts let alone the IG.
Quasar has a good story arc with the Starbrand
Originally posted by Stoic
Not sure about Sise-Neg, but Legion most certainly is not, unless you believe that Nate Grey is also above the IG. I'd be interested to learn if I am correct here, because Nate recently defeated Legion, but again I may be missing some critical context.
True Legion is multiversal, isn't?
Originally posted by deft
True Legion is multiversal, isn't?
Definitely not. I'll have to re-read age of x to see if the reality warp was global or universal, however even if it was universal, that wouldnt make him multiversal and certainly wouldnt place him above the IG.
The reality stone backed by the power stone could achieve that. A cosmic cube could achieve that and its not on IGs level.
Originally posted by deft
True Legion is multiversal, isn't?
Further to my last post it was a global reality warp. Proof of this is that 616 continued to exist and go on as normal beyond the global sphere of influence. The character Revenant was actually Rachel Greys astral form. She was in space with the Starjammers and had been trying to make telepathic contact with Earth at the time that Legions Moira personality unleashed the warp, so her astral form got caught up in it and took on a warped persona in this reality.
It was a pocket reality and as such received its own reality designation. But wasn't a universal rewrite in the way Age of Apocalypse was for example.