Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I'm just disputing the fact that lightning cloak would somehow stagger him when it only affected fodder. You are simply dancing around the point, being careful with your wording misrepresenting my stance and making ridiculous claims. Lol
No dude, I am basing my arguments on feats (which we're supposed to do) whereas you're using a no-limits fallacy, where you're basically saying Superman is immune to energy attacks unless proven otherwise. That's a no limits fallacy because every single energy attack launched at Superman has staggered him, and most of those attacks don't have the feats to compete against Thor's lightning.
Case in point: Cyborg's blasts blasted parademons away. Thor's lightning cloak was not only blasting undead Asgardians away but also punching holes through them.
If you want to claim that Superman can walk through that lightning completely unfazed, it's up to you to prove he can because it goes against how he was portrayed on screen.
You're avoiding having to prove your point because you know you don't have the feats to support it. Want to claim Superman can walk through an energy attack like Thor's lightning? Post a feat of him doing so.
Originally posted by FrothByteNo, I am not claiming Superman would walk through Thor's most powerful lightning. See? Wording and misrepresenting. Try harder.
No dude, I am basing my arguments on feats (which we're supposed to do) whereas you're using a no-limits fallacy, where you're basically saying Superman is immune to energy attacks unless proven otherwise. That's a no limits fallacy because every single energy attack launched at Superman has staggered him, and most of those attacks don't have the feats to compete against Thor's lightning.Case in point: Cyborg's blasts blasted parademons away. Thor's lightning cloak was not only blasting undead Asgardians away but also punching holes through them.
If you want to claim that Superman can walk through that lightning completely unfazed, it's up to you to prove he can because it goes against how he was portrayed on screen.
You're avoiding having to prove your point because you know you don't have the feats to support it. Want to claim Superman can walk through an energy attack like Thor's lightning? Post a feat of him doing so.
I just find it ridiculous that you believe those little sparks would bother someone who withstood a beam meant to reform the planet, re-entry from space multiple times, HV iirc, etc to the point it would somehow prevent Thor from getting blitzed. Based on what? Some undead fodder shit getting busted up? Nah, I don't think that's a solid ground to stand on and you know it too.
Superman's HV has sliced an I-beam in a single swipe. According to Newton's law of cooling, the temperature of the HV was many times higher than that of the melting point of that type of steel. DD HV overpowered Superman's HV and all it did was push Superman back without even harming him in the slightest.
Yet, a much weaker attack (the sparking cloak lightning) will still bother Superman to the same degree.
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Originally posted by Adam Grimes
No, I am not claiming Superman would walk through Thor's most powerful lightning. See? Wording and misrepresenting. Try harder.I just find it ridiculous that you believe those little sparks would bother someone who withstood a beam meant to reform the planet, re-entry from space multiple times, HV iirc, etc to the point it would somehow prevent Thor from getting blitzed. Based on what? Some undead fodder shit getting busted up? Nah, I don't think that's a solid ground to stand on and you know it too.
If you're not claiming that then we have nothing to argue about.
I'm not claiming they can injure or seriously hurt Superman, merely that they will stagger him the same way EVERY SINGLE ENERGY ATTACK on Superman has staggered him. I don't think that's an unfair argument considering I'm only basing this on feats Superman has displayed on screen.
And come now, calling Thor's lightning "little sparks" is a ridiculous amount of lowballing. Those "undead fodder shit" were still tough enough to go toe to toe with regular Asgardians and Thor's lightning was one-shotting them, at times blasting them to pieces.
Here's Thor using a similar-looking lightning stream to knock Hela around:
https://youtu.be/Xo54_s1TKp4?t=270
Superman has never been able to blitz someone through an energy attack, so if you think he can just blast through that lightning cloak without getting slowed down then it is pure speculation without any shred of proof to back it up. In other words, a no limits fallacy.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman's HV has sliced an I-beam in a single swipe. According to Newton's law of cooling, the temperature of the HV was many times higher than that of the melting point of that type of steel. DD HV overpowered Superman's HV and all it did was push Superman back without even harming him in the slightest.
In other words, it staggered him. Thank you for proving me right.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Nobody did, hence Froth's answer was "No".
Exactly. They keep exaggerating and misrepresenting what I said to make my argument seem ridiculous, because they know they have no other way to prove it wrong.
Notice how all they're doing is criticizing my argument when not one of them gave even a single feat to prove that Superman can walk through Thor's lightning without being staggered.
Far easier to criticize someone else instead of backing up your own argument.
They could potentially stop at 3. I've no problem believing SB or WW's sword could kill Faora, but she's a clear speedster. So is Diana, but Kryptonians are more powerful than WW and Faora's got no weakness here.
I'm also assuming Faora has her Kryptonian blade and it's durable enough to stab Thor and WW.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Exactly. They keep exaggerating and misrepresenting what I said to make my argument seem ridiculous, because they know they have no other way to prove it wrong.Notice how all they're doing is criticizing my argument when not one of them gave even a single feat to prove that Superman can walk through Thor's lightning without being staggered.
Far easier to criticize someone else instead of backing up your own argument.
You are claiming that if a character is shown to be barely affected by an energy attack then they will also be equally affected by ANY weaker energy attack no matter how much weaker it is.
Therefore Thor's cloak lightning = strongest lightning.
Your logic
Basically if someone is slightly staggered or pushed back (with no damage) from a blast that can disintegrate a planet in a second then they will be also be staggered if they are hit with a blast that is barely capable of boiling a cup of water in 10 seconds.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are claiming that if a character is shown to be barely affected by an energy attack then they will also be equally affected by ANY weaker energy attack no matter how much weaker it is.
When have I ever claimed this?
My claim was that Thor's lightning, and SPECIFICALLY Thor's lightning, will stagger Superman. Not just ANY energy attack.
See what I mean by you exaggerating and misrepresenting my arguments?
Originally posted by RobtardGood post. I forgot about the blade. She cant use it here.
They could potentially stop at 3. I've no problem believing SB or WW's sword could kill Faora, but she's a clear speedster. So is Diana, but Kryptonians are more powerful than WW and Faora's got no weakness here.I'm also assuming Faora has her Kryptonian blade and it's durable enough to stab Thor and WW.
Originally posted by FrothByteThe first lightning did nothing and in the one that did he was using his sword lol.
If you're not claiming that then we have nothing to argue about.I'm not claiming they can injure or seriously hurt Superman, merely that they will stagger him the same way EVERY SINGLE ENERGY ATTACK on Superman has staggered him. I don't think that's an unfair argument considering I'm only basing this on feats Superman has displayed on screen.
And come now, calling Thor's lightning "little sparks" is a ridiculous amount of lowballing. Those "undead fodder shit" were still tough enough to go toe to toe with regular Asgardians and Thor's lightning was one-shotting them, at times blasting them to pieces.
Here's Thor using a similar-looking lightning stream to knock Hela around:
https://youtu.be/Xo54_s1TKp4?t=270Superman has never been able to blitz someone through an energy attack, so if you think he can just blast through that lightning cloak without getting slowed down then it is pure speculation without any shred of proof to back it up. In other words, a no limits fallacy.
Feats for random Asgardians please?
In the end, yes, Superman has been staggered by energy attacks. But you can't feasibly prove Thor's lightning cloak to be as strong or stronger that those. Much less to the point it would stop Superman from blitzing the shit out of him. 👆
Originally posted by FrothByteAnd yeah, I'm not exaggerating anything because you did say this. Now I'm just going to sit here and watch amused how you and your charmingly inept troll friend try to wiggle your way out of this. 👆
I'm saying his lightning can potentially be as strong as his stronger strikes if he needs it to be. Same way just because a person hits you with a light punch doesn't mean they can't put more power behind it if necessary.