Originally posted by h1a8Because you don't have an answer for them. You are always arguing for who you want to win and not, based off highest feats, who will win.
But the question is always: "Who would win in a fight" ... and not "Let's determine who has the highest feat, so that we can declare that character the winner".
With your approach... if I asked, who would win in a fight between Gladiator and Hyperion (Marcus Milton), you would say Gladiator, because Gladiator has destroyed a planet with punches, while Hyperion hasn't. Gladiator has also crossed galaxies within the blink of an eye, while Hyperion hasn't. But at the same time Hyperion has survived the explosion of two universes, while Gladiator hasn't. Does that not automatically mean that Hyperion is completely immune to any damage Gladiator can dish out, who is a planet buster? Hell no.
Here is the problem with feats:
Just because character A has not been in the situation to perform a feat character B performed, does not mean that character A can't perform that feat at all. That's where we look what other things character A has done, which would prove that they could possibly perform a specific feat. Or maybe even do it better and easier.
If you can support the weight of a star (in Hulks case) or slow down a planet bigger than Earth traveling at 500.000 miles per hour... then you can lift the weight of the Earth for 5 days. Period. I understand that those are different situations, but the difference in weight between those examples is so extreme and comical, that endurance doesn't play a role anymore.
But just like I said in my first post in this thread: it all depends on the writer. Hulk was "struggling" with a 150 billion ton mountain. Superman referred to lifting city blocks as a physical challenge. Thor couldn't open a metal door.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You say the difference is comical....but that's why I used my example of 20kg, because it's so light.Hell, let's put....no weight. 0kg. You just lie on your back, and bench an imaginary weight for 5days straight with no food. Doesn't matter how much your maximum bench, you'd still be unable to.
The guys (and girls!) in this thread have zero stamina feats to suggest they can, even with the weight of the Earth.
Hulk being brought to his knees by a star in a squat position doesn't mean his chest muscles can bench Earth for 5 days.
Hyperion stopping the rogue planet doesn't mean he can bench the Earth for 5 days.
No other character has a strength feat on that level. Even All-Star Superman lifted less than 4% of that and just for one rep, not for 5 day straight.
Maybe you could point to Hyperion holding apart two incurring universes, but he only delayed it for a few seconds, and it's subject to interpretation too. So maybe Hyperion if we're generous, but he's not even on the list.
Originally posted by carver9
The only people here I can't see doing this is Wonder Woman, Blue Marvel (he probably could, unsure) and thats basically it. The rest does it and some do it easily.
Blue Marvel is stronger than Thor. If Wonder Woman can't do it, Thor likely can't either, so you may want to look at that list again.
Originally posted by Stoic
Blue Marvel is stronger than Thor. If Wonder Woman can't do it, Thor likely can't either, so you may want to look at that list again.
Its a toss in the air for Blue Marvel. If anyone thinks he can achieve this, i wouldnt argue against them. As for Thor, I would give him a SLIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHHT edge in strength versus Diana. I rate Thor in the strong men territory beside Superman, Black Adam, Captain Marvel and Doomsday, etc...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85You say the difference is comical....but that's why I used my example of 20kg, because it's so light.
Hell, let's put....no weight. 0kg. You just lie on your back, and bench an imaginary weight for 5days straight with no food. Doesn't matter how much your maximum bench, you'd still be unable to.
I[i/] can go 5 days without food just fine. I could potentially go 5 days without sleep as well. The world record is at 11 days and then-some. It's possible to go a couple of days without water, but I'm not a big fan of dry fasting. But none of that matters, since I'm (unfortunately) not a herald or above – which we have in this thread.
[i]Originally posted by DarkSaint85The guys (and girls!) in this thread have zero stamina feats to suggest they can, even with the weight of the Earth.
I'm sure that if you dig deep enough, most of these characters have some kind of a feat, which proves that they can go days / weeks / months without taking in some form of energy... be it food, solar radiation or rest. Here are some of my thoughts on Thor in that regard.
Thor didn't sleep for 9 months after becoming unworthy:
https://i.imgur.com/mLUIF2l.jpg
He has fought for 40 days without food, water or sleep in another comic. In another fight he said he could fight the Juggernaut for months. Thor was also being tortured by Gorr for 17 days and was fine afterwards. A regular Asgardian lives for over 5 minutes after getting their heart ripped out, while someone like Thor can go even longer.
I just don't think that physiology of these characters works like you imagine it to do. Even Captain America from the movies was running circles around Falcon at high speed after already having covered miles and miles of distance.
Surely there must come a point where they start getting tired eventually... but I don't think that's the case after 5 days already, while they're managing a weight, which is much lower than something they'd usually be able to lift "just fine".
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Hulk being brought to his knees by a star in a squat position doesn't mean his chest muscles can bench Earth for 5 days.
Hyperion stopping the rogue planet doesn't mean he can bench the Earth for 5 days.
Why not?
5 days for us is not the same as 5 days for them. As I wrote above, Thor could fight someone like Hulk or Juggernaut or Hercules for months without any food or sleep or water.
If Hulk can support the weight of a star in one instance and fight for months in another instance, I fail to see how he wouldn't be able to benchpress the weight of a planet for 5 days. The difference in weight between a star and a planet is astronomical to a point, where for him it should start being light weight. (Then it becomes about lifting a planetary weight for 5 days VS fighting someone planetary in strength and striking for months.)
There is no doubt in my mind that someone like Hulk can pull it off based on endurance alone. The bigger question is what the maximum weight is Hulk can push on his own. That's where someone like Carver would have to mention some feats. In the end of the day I do think that... supporting the weight of a star is not the same as bench-pressing a planet. I'm sure that Hulk can benchpress a planet, but can he do it for 5 days? My gut tells me yes. But it still remains... locking your joints and chilling under a much heavier weight is not the same as actively lowering a weight and pushing it back up.
Thor has pushed the weight of 9 worlds, when he moved the World Engine. It was stated that he can benchpress small planets. Is Earth a small planet? Can he benchpress small planets for 5 days straight? No idea. But I sure as hell know that he can fight the likes of Hulk and Juggernaut for months, who should also very well be above the planetary in strength levels.
That's how I look at it.
Originally posted by Enzeru
But the question is always: "Who would win in a fight" ... and not "Let's determine who has the highest feat, so that we can declare that character the winner".With your approach... if I asked, who would win in a fight between Gladiator and Hyperion (Marcus Milton), you would say Gladiator, because Gladiator has destroyed a planet with punches, while Hyperion hasn't. Gladiator has also crossed galaxies within the blink of an eye, while Hyperion hasn't. But at the same time Hyperion has survived the explosion of two universes, while Gladiator hasn't. Does that not automatically mean that Hyperion is completely immune to any damage Gladiator can dish out, who is a planet buster? Hell no.
Here is the problem with feats:
Just because character A has not been in the situation to perform a feat character B performed, does not mean that character A can't perform that feat at all. That's where we look what other things character A has done, which would prove that they could possibly perform a specific feat. Or maybe even do it better and easier.If you can support the weight of a star (in Hulks case) or slow down a planet bigger than Earth traveling at 500.000 miles per hour... then you can lift the weight of the Earth for 5 days. Period. I understand that those are different situations, but the difference in weight between those examples is so extreme and comical, that endurance doesn't play a role anymore.
But just like I said in my first post in this thread: it all depends on the writer. Hulk was "struggling" with a 150 billion ton mountain. Superman referred to lifting city blocks as a physical challenge. Thor couldn't open a metal door.
Hyperion never experienced the explosion of two universes. If you want to use examples, then use truthful ones, or at minimum, use non debatable ones.
Hulk never supported the weight of a star. He was brought down by the weight. Even if he did, it's not the same as lifting it nor does it prove that Hulk can benchpress the Earth over 100,000 times.
How long did it take Hyperion to slow the planet down? Now calculate the acceleration to calculate the force. From there we can reasonably determine whether Hyperion can bench the Earth over 100,000 times.
Originally posted by Enzeru
But the question is always: "Who would win in a fight" ... and not "Let's determine who has the highest feat, so that we can declare that character the winner".With your approach... if I asked, who would win in a fight between Gladiator and Hyperion (Marcus Milton), you would say Gladiator, because Gladiator has destroyed a planet with punches, while Hyperion hasn't. Gladiator has also crossed galaxies within the blink of an eye, while Hyperion hasn't. But at the same time Hyperion has survived the explosion of two universes, while Gladiator hasn't. Does that not automatically mean that Hyperion is completely immune to any damage Gladiator can dish out, who is a planet buster? Hell no.
Here is the problem with feats:
Just because character A has not been in the situation to perform a feat character B performed, does not mean that character A can't perform that feat at all. That's where we look what other things character A has done, which would prove that they could possibly perform a specific feat. Or maybe even do it better and easier.If you can support the weight of a star (in Hulks case) or slow down a planet bigger than Earth traveling at 500.000 miles per hour... then you can lift the weight of the Earth for 5 days. Period. I understand that those are different situations, but the difference in weight between those examples is so extreme and comical, that endurance doesn't play a role anymore.
But just like I said in my first post in this thread: it all depends on the writer. Hulk was "struggling" with a 150 billion ton mountain. Superman referred to lifting city blocks as a physical challenge. Thor couldn't open a metal door.
Hyperion never experienced the explosion of two universes. If you want to use examples, then use truthful ones, or at minimum, use non debatable ones.
Hulk never supported the weight of a star. The weight was used to hold him down and prevent him from rising. The weight wasn't trying to crush him through the Earth. Even if he did and I'm wrong, then Hulk has always proved the potential to do such things (WBH for example).
How long did it take Hyperion to slow the planet down? Now calculate the acceleration to calculate the force. From there we can reasonably determine whether Hyperion can bench the Earth over 100,000 times.
Originally posted by h1a8Hyperion never experienced the explosion of two universes. If you want to use examples, then use truthful ones, or at minimum, use non debatable ones.
Hyperion was at the epicenter of an explosion, which destroyed two universes. The writer of that story confirmed it: https://i.imgur.com/WfxleC4.png
There is literally zero context to that feat. I know it's a Marvel character, but still: Stop trying to overcomplicate it.
Originally posted by h1a8Hulk never supported the weight of a star. He was brought down by the weight. Even if he did, it's not the same as lifting it nor does it prove that Hulk can benchpress the Earth over 100,000 times.
Hulk was on his hands and knees, pushing against the weight of a star. If you're completely overwhelmed by such weight, you'd be a pancake. But Hulk wasn't a pancake. And pushing back against the weight of a star, is doing sooo much more work than pushing the weight of a planet. You don't need to be a math genius to know that. I suck at math and even I know it.
Originally posted by h1a8How long did it take Hyperion to slow the planet down? Now calculate the acceleration to calculate the force. From there we can reasonably determine whether Hyperion can bench the Earth over 100,000 times.
Few seconds at the very max?
https://imgur.com/gallery/pWJFWof
Thor and Hyperion were waiting for the planet in the Earths atmosphere. Probably somewhere in the thermosphere, which is up to 700 kilometers up up in the sky. And with the planet traveling at 500.000 miles (~805.000 kilometers) per hour Hyperion really didn't have much room to slow it down. And judging by the dialogue it also sounds as if he caught a planet bigger than Earth traveling at 500.000 miles per hour and stopped it almost dead in its tracks.
Do you not understand how insane that feat is? If you can do that, then you can bench-press the planet for 5 days. Period.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Hyperion was at the epicenter of an explosion, which destroyed two universes. The writer of that story confirmed it: https://i.imgur.com/WfxleC4.png
There is literally zero context to that feat. I know it's a Marvel character, but still: Stop trying to overcomplicate it.Hulk was on his hands and knees, pushing against the weight of a star. If you're completely overwhelmed by such weight, you'd be a pancake. But Hulk wasn't a pancake. And pushing back against the weight of a star, is doing sooo much more work than pushing the weight of a planet. You don't need to be a math genius to know that. I suck at math and even I know it.
Few seconds at the very max?
https://imgur.com/gallery/pWJFWof
Thor and Hyperion were waiting for the planet in the Earths atmosphere. Probably somewhere in the thermosphere, which is up to 700 kilometers up up in the sky. And with the planet traveling at 500.000 miles (~805.000 kilometers) per hour Hyperion really didn't have much room to slow it down. And judging by the dialogue it also sounds as if he caught a planet bigger than Earth traveling at 500.000 miles per hour and stopped it almost dead in its tracks.
Do you not understand how insane that feat is? If you can do that, then you can bench-press the planet for 5 days. Period.
Nope
Originally posted by Enzeru
Hyperion was at the epicenter of an explosion, which destroyed two universes. The writer of that story confirmed it: https://i.imgur.com/WfxleC4.png
There is literally zero context to that feat. I know it's a Marvel character, but still: Stop trying to overcomplicate it.Hulk was on his hands and knees, pushing against the weight of a star. If you're completely overwhelmed by such weight, you'd be a pancake. But Hulk wasn't a pancake. And pushing back against the weight of a star, is doing sooo much more work than pushing the weight of a planet. You don't need to be a math genius to know that. I suck at math and even I know it.
Few seconds at the very max?
https://imgur.com/gallery/pWJFWof
Thor and Hyperion were waiting for the planet in the Earths atmosphere. Probably somewhere in the thermosphere, which is up to 700 kilometers up up in the sky. And with the planet traveling at 500.000 miles (~805.000 kilometers) per hour Hyperion really didn't have much room to slow it down. And judging by the dialogue it also sounds as if he caught a planet bigger than Earth traveling at 500.000 miles per hour and stopped it almost dead in its tracks.
Do you not understand how insane that feat is? If you can do that, then you can bench-press the planet for 5 days. Period.
I don't see where the writer confirms Hyperion survived explosions of two universes. I edited my post. You quoted the wrong one.
Read the newer one about Hulk.
This is all we know.
1. Hyperion came in contact with the planet at an unknown distance from Earth. We can approximate to some agreeable amount though.
2. While Hyperion was trying to stop it, the planet was being phased.
That's all we know.
We don't know how much Hyperion slowed it down before it was completely phased. This is assuming the mass of the planet was reduced when it was being phased.
