Originally posted by cdtm
Hyperians feat is a nothing burger, unquantifiable and hardly impressive.Supermans feat can be easily calculated. H1 actually lowballed at 100,000 reps.
The two Earth's in Hyperion's feat are being driven toward each other by their respective universes, and thus serve as the contact points for the colliding universes. They collide with universe destroying force. Thus by holding the world's apart, he holds the universes apart. Reed Richards explains this in detail.
Originally posted by Enzeru
[B][i]I[i/] can go 5 days without food just fine. I could potentially go 5 days without sleep as well. The world record is at 11 days and then-some. It's possible to go a couple of days without water, but I'm not a big fan of dry fasting. But none of that matters, since I'm (unfortunately) not a herald or above – which we have in this thread.I'm sure that if you dig deep enough, most of these characters have some kind of a feat, which proves that they can go days / weeks / months without taking in some form of energy... be it food, solar radiation or rest. Here are some of my thoughts on Thor in that regard.
Thor didn't sleep for 9 months after becoming unworthy:
https://i.imgur.com/mLUIF2l.jpgHe has fought for 40 days without food, water or sleep in another comic. In another fight he said he could fight the Juggernaut for months. Thor was also being tortured by Gorr for 17 days and was fine afterwards. A regular Asgardian lives for over 5 minutes after getting their heart ripped out, while someone like Thor can go even longer.
I just don't think that physiology of these characters works like you imagine it to do. Even Captain America from the movies was running circles around Falcon at high speed after already having covered miles and miles of distance.
Surely there must come a point where they start getting tired eventually... but I don't think that's the case after 5 days already, while they're managing a weight, which is much lower than something they'd usually be able to lift "just fine".Why not?
5 days for us is not the same as 5 days for them. As I wrote above, Thor could fight someone like Hulk or Juggernaut or Hercules for months without any food or sleep or water.
If Hulk can support the weight of a star in one instance and fight for months in another instance, I fail to see how he wouldn't be able to benchpress the weight of a planet for 5 days. The difference in weight between a star and a planet is astronomical to a point, where for him it should start being light weight. (Then it becomes about lifting a planetary weight for 5 days VS fighting someone planetary in strength and striking for months.)There is no doubt in my mind that someone like Hulk can pull it off based on endurance alone. The bigger question is what the maximum weight is Hulk can push on his own. That's where someone like Carver would have to mention some feats. In the end of the day I do think that... supporting the weight of a star is not the same as bench-pressing a planet. I'm sure that Hulk can benchpress a planet, but can he do it for 5 days? My gut tells me yes. But it still remains... locking your joints and chilling under a much heavier weight is not the same as actively lowering a weight and pushing it back up.
Thor has pushed the weight of 9 worlds, when he moved the World Engine. It was stated that he can benchpress small planets. Is Earth a small planet? Can he benchpress small planets for 5 days straight? No idea. But I sure as hell know that he can fight the likes of Hulk and Juggernaut for months, who should also very well be above the planetary in strength levels.
That's how I look at it. [/B]
Then it should be easy to post Stamina feats for the characters named here to prove that they can bench Earth's mass for 5 days solid.
Thor? Hulk? Fighting for months? That's not the same, at all, and you know it. Batman, a human, can fight for three days non stop - can he bench Earth's mass ONCE? No, of course not. Can he bench even 1% of the Earth, once? No.
Basically, this feat of Superman's was an insane strength AND stamina feat. Too many people focus on the strength part only, neglecting the stamina part.
And none of the characters named here have the stamina feats to suggest they can. Strength? Sure. For one rep, two reps, 100 reps. Stamina? No.
Again, it's like saying you could do 1 weighted pullup - then suddenly extrapolating that to saying you're able to do 1,000 unweighted pullups.
Or, if you want to use comic logic:
Batman fights three days non stop, whilst wounded:
https://imgur.com/a/aeHmR
Batman fights for 28 hours, no food/toilet/sleep breaks, without using any killing blows, against fresh fighters:
https://imgur.com/a/hiib1
So per logic being used, as he can bench ~900kg (~2000lbs):
https://imgur.com/xJYwyry
I can now say he is able to easily bench 500kg for two days without stopping for food/rest? FYI, world record for ONE rep is ~400kg.
Cool, then post the stamina feats of them lifting things for an equivalent length of time. Bearing in mind Superman was weakened in this feat, too.
Here is Hulk's, as a starter: it even has a Stamina section, and even groups it by Hulk incarnation:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t571911.html
I have already gone through it, but am sure you have the Stamina feats not posted there.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85How can you weaken someone that's supposed to have dynamic strength? Being away from the sun does not weaken Superman, his body stores sunlight. Its amazing how you hidden Superman fans flip flop to make Superman the best at everything, Hyperions feat piss on supermans . Stamina is stamina, Superman has tired out far quicker than anyone in this thread. Anyone here save WW can do that feat. Can Superman hold back 2 universes? Hell no. But let someone ask and every Superman fan including you will say he can, then when someone ask for proof you all get mad.
Cool, then post the stamina feats of them lifting things for an equivalent length of time. Bearing in mind Superman was weakened in this feat, too.Here is Hulk's, as a starter: it even has a Stamina section, and even groups it by Hulk incarnation:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t571911.htmlI have already gone through it, but am sure you have the Stamina feats not posted there.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Then it should be easy to post Stamina feats for the characters named here to prove that they can bench Earth's mass for 5 days solid. Thor? Hulk? Fighting for months?
I just don't understand the (lack of) logic behind your anti-argument.
Don't compare Batman to Thor. If Batman was in a situation, where he had to fight for months without sleep, water and food, he would die. This isn't about 28 hours or 3 days or even 5 days. It's about months and months.
Thor is an Asgardian / Elder God hybrid, who doesn't slow down after months without food, water and sleep. Who can break free from chains, which were containing other gods, after being tortured for 17 days. Who can fight with internal organs missing. To someone like Thor 5 days are nothing.
Thors strength and his stamina fall-off also don't work like you imagine them to.
Thor and Hercules arm wrestling shattered the plateau they were standing on. It generated enough pressure to knock a planet out of its orbit:
https://i.imgur.com/RYcb4fF.jpeg
And they could have continued that for days, weeks, months, years, decades. They're immortal. They don't function the same way you imagine it. And that's not exclusive to fighting alone. In the scan above Thor and Hercules were generating strength and pressure on a planetary scale and could have done so for years and more.
To me all these bits and pieces are decent implications that other characters could possibly bench-press the Earth for 5 days as well. DC fanboys just have the advantage that other characters were not in the exact same situation. Now they can say that a Thor or a Hulk can't perform the same feat. And they try to negate absolutely everything, which shows that they might be able to pull it off.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Hyperion isn't even in the thread, lmao.
No, but Hyperion (Marcus Milton) is not that far above some of the Marvel characters in this thread. So he can be used to make an argument for the others.
What if I asked you to show me a DC character surviving the explosion of two universes. Does Superman have a feat JUST LIKE THAT? Or would you start coming up with other comparisons to make an argument for Superman? If were able to make a good argument with sound logic, I would accept it. Can't say the same for other people on this dying board.
Originally posted by Booya_69Good posts by Enzeru 👍.
It’s a tough feat to replicate, because no other hero is going to waste their time whacking off for 5 days....well herc might.
Why thank you!
And yeah, I was always and always be outspoken about that Superman "feat", because it goes against everything Superman should be standing for. Wasting his time with lifting weights for 5 days instead of flying around and saving people... is like the most Anti-Superman thing one can do. Even 5 hours would have been bad.
IMO Superman is a horribly written character most of the time. There are very few Superman stories I actually like. And the ones I do like, I REALLY do like. With "Superman: Peace on Earth" being my favorite Superman story of all time.
Originally posted by Enzeru
I just don't understand the (lack of) logic behind your anti-argument.Don't compare Batman to Thor. If Batman was in a situation, where he had to fight for months without sleep, water and food, he would die. This isn't about 28 hours or 3 days or even 5 days. It's about months and months.
Thor is an Asgardian / Elder God hybrid, who doesn't slow down after months without food, water and sleep. Who can break free from chains, which were containing other gods, after being tortured for 17 days. Who can fight with internal organs missing. To someone like Thor 5 days are nothing.
Thors strength and his stamina fall-off also don't work like you imagine them to.
Thor and Hercules arm wrestling shattered the plateau they were standing on. It generated enough pressure to knock a planet out of its orbit:
https://i.imgur.com/RYcb4fF.jpegAnd they could have continued that for days, weeks, months, years, decades. They're immortal. They don't function the same way you imagine it. And that's not exclusive to fighting alone. In the scan above Thor and Hercules were generating strength and pressure on a planetary scale and could have done so for years and more.
To me all these bits and pieces are decent implications that other characters could possibly bench-press the Earth for 5 days as well. DC fanboys just have the advantage that other characters were not in the exact same situation. Now they can say that a Thor or a Hulk can't perform the same feat. And they try to negate absolutely everything, which shows that they might be able to pull it off.
No, but Hyperion (Marcus Milton) is not that far above some of the Marvel characters in this thread. So he can be used to make an argument for the others.
What if I asked you to show me a DC character surviving the explosion of two universes. Does Superman have a feat JUST LIKE THAT? Or would you start coming up with other comparisons to make an argument for Superman? If were able to make a good argument with sound logic, I would accept it. Can't say the same for other people on this dying board.
Why thank you!
And yeah, I was always and always be outspoken about that Superman "feat", because it goes against everything Superman should be standing for. Wasting his time with lifting weights for 5 days instead of flying around and saving people... is like the most Anti-Superman thing one can do. Even 5 hours would have been bad.
IMO Superman is a horribly written character most of the time. There are very few Superman stories I actually like. And the ones I do like, I REALLY do like. With "Superman: Peace on Earth" being my favorite Superman story of all time.
Hence why I lowered the threshold down to 500kg, which when compared to the Earth's mass, is similar ratio wise between a (not specified) star and the Earth. It's like.....0.000000000001% or whatever (H1, check my maths) of the Earth.
No real human can do what Batman did. 28 hours, no food, no water, no sleep, no toilet breaks, and he's constantly fighting fresh new fighters, and he still maintains the presence of mind to not use killing blows.
And he's still winning (AND he's fighting topless in what looks like snow).
Based on comic logic, and his feats, he should be easily be able to bench 500kg for three days straight, right? When the Guinness World Record is 400kg for ONE rep, but let's ignore that.
But if I came into a thread and said that, I'd be laughed at (and rightly so).
Edit: the scan states Batman is fighting 106miles NE of Harstad in Norway. That's a pretty cold place.
Based on his feats which I have posted, and using the logic I have seen in here, I can say Batman is able to bench press ....let's say 440kg, so 10% more than the world record for 1RM.
And can do it for a whole day. In short, superhuman levels.
Crazy thing is, that isn't even Bruce's best stamina feat lol.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
So is he benching it repeatedly or locking his arms and holding it? I've always assumed the latter
I've assumed the former, because
A: in the panel his arms are bent
B: the text said "you have been bench pressing that for five days".
Plus, the scientist said to test the upper limits of his strength, she'd need to invent something else to do so.
So it sounds like they were spending five days testing his stamina rather than strength.
