Those who choose not to contribute to society do not deserve our help.

If private organizations or people want to help them, fine.

But the Government, which only has money because the rest of us work,_ should not help them.

You choose to be a bum, be prepared to live like one.

I disagree, I think there is a base level of solidarity for all people, even if they can or won't contribute.

I also think you have to give people the opportunity to contribute, most people aren't born as slackers or good for nothings, their circumstances shape them into what they become, especially in a society where all the best opportunities are taken through luck and relationships, where most of the wealth is concentrated before people are born. Our society fails at giving people the tools and chances to be productive members of their community, and the system has to take responsibility for that failure as well, it can't just be "personal responsibility".

You’ll never win an argument with the hurt people line.

A tree doesn’t withhold oxygen.

Originally posted by Artol
I disagree, I think there is a base level of solidarity for all people, even if they can or won't contribute.

I also think you have to give people the opportunity to contribute, most people aren't born as slackers or good for nothings, their circumstances shape them into what they become, especially in a society where all the best opportunities are taken through luck and relationships, where most of the wealth is concentrated before people are born. Our society fails at giving people the tools and chances to be productive members of their community, and the system has to take responsibility for that failure as well, it can't just be "personal responsibility".

I'm not sure if your second point is addressing my point.

Apologies if I'm misreading it.

When I say people who choose not to, I'm referring to people who are able bodied and mind, and have the opportunity to contribute, and choose to freeload.

God said of one in question’ what do you care if I want him to live until I return.’

*not-eon, sitting around bored, playing with his hair weave*

"I hate poor people. they chose to be poor"

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
*not-eon, sitting around bored, playing with his hair weave*

"I hate poor people. they chose to be poor"

Originally posted by wxyz
I'm not sure if your second point is addressing my point.

Apologies if I'm misreading it.

When I say people who choose not to, I'm referring to people who are able bodied and mind, and have the opportunity to contribute, and choose to freeload.

Well, I include mental issues in this as well, I don't think people generally want to be freeloaders if they can meaningfully contribute. I do think that the level of entry is very low nowadays, I can understand why some people don't really see the point in the jobs that are open to them; I don't subscribe to the believe that every job is worth doing. I personally see a lot of sense in a universal basic income, that alone would completely change some of the power dynamics, and open up completely different avenues for jobs and how much certain jobs will be considered to be worth.

And I guess just generally, I think the framing of freeloaders at the bottom as a big problem is misguided, the much bigger problem is freeloaders and welfare queens at the very top. And even if they aren't freeloaders, it's just a problem for a society when wealth is so significantly differently distributed, so that should be fixed first.

I'm not poor.

Originally posted by Artol
Well, I include mental issues in this as well, I don't think people generally want to be freeloaders if they can meaningfully contribute. I do think that the level of entry is very low nowadays, I can understand why some people don't really see the point in the jobs that are open to them; I don't subscribe to the believe that every job is worth doing. I personally see a lot of sense in a universal basic income, that alone would completely change some of the power dynamics, and open up completely different avenues for jobs and how much certain jobs will be considered to be worth.

And I guess just generally, I think the framing of freeloaders at the bottom as a big problem is misguided, the much bigger problem is freeloaders and welfare queens at the very top. And even if they aren't freeloaders, it's just a problem for a society when wealth is so significantly differently distributed, so that should be fixed first.

I agree most people do not want to be freeloaders.

Freeloaders whether they are rich or poor are both a problem.

As a true Conservative, I'm against corporate welfare myself

Glad we seem to agree on that.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I'm not poor.

Glad to hear it.

Yeah, I think if we have to have corporate welfare at all it should be for small businesses. It's ridiculous that normal people and small businesses pay more in taxes and have less rights than huge corporations.

Originally posted by Artol
Yeah, I think if we have to have corporate welfare at all it should be for small businesses. It's ridiculous that normal people and small businesses pay more in taxes and have less rights than huge corporations.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the enemy of small business is the Government.

Originally posted by wxyz
If private organizations or people want to help them, fine.

But the Government, which only has money because the rest of us work,_ should not help them.

You choose to be a bum, be prepared to live like one.

Poor people choose to be poor and should stop or starve. Got it.

Luckily, I also pay taxes, and I, and a lot of people like me disagree with you. Happy my taxes go to take care of the poor. Way better use of money than spending it on weapons. Change my mind.

Originally posted by truejedi
Poor people choose to be poor and should stop or starve. Got it.

Luckily, I also pay taxes, and I, and a lot of people like me disagree with you. Happy my taxes go to take care of the poor. Way better use of money than spending it on weapons. Change my mind.

Originally posted by truejedi
Poor people choose to be poor and should stop or starve. Got it.

Luckily, I also pay taxes, and I, and a lot of people like me disagree with you. Happy my taxes go to take care of the poor. Way better use of money than spending it on weapons. Change my mind.

Strawman.

Originally posted by wxyz
Strawman.

shut up whrily, you are a white colonizer.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
no you! When you remove the static of Voltron here, people don't agree with you generally here chummy.

Do you have any thoughts on my thread topic?

There goes Voltron... too easy.

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