Those who choose not to contribute to society do not deserve our help.

Originally posted by wxyz
Why should the rest of us work, to support freeloaders?

If you're okay watching "freeloaders" starve simply because they don't "want" to work then I'm not sure there is much I could do to convince you otherwise :/

Also I put two of the key words in parentheses because I don't believe they are a widespread problem. Definitely not enough of one to warrant the idea it's a problem that needs solved.

Most people that go on welfare tend to get off of it within five years. The biggest issue is that job wages haven't kept place with inflation. So there isn't a problem of motivation or people being freeloaders. It's a problem where the jobs available just aren't allowing people to survive.

I also think with advancements in technology we're getting to or are already at a point where the current model of earning a living is outdated.

At some point there will just be more people capable of working than there are jobs they can work. At that point we have to decide to let them starve or you know take care of them.

I do think we should have less freeloading capital owners, just sitting around getting welfare from "their" workers hard labor, but I suppose that's not the freeloaders that were meant here...

Originally posted by Newjak
I mean in all honesty this question really comes down to your level of human empathy.

If you're okay watching "freeloaders" starve simply because they don't "want" to work then I'm not sure there is much I could do to convince you otherwise :/

Also I put two of the key words in parentheses because I don't believe they are a widespread problem. Definitely not enough of one to warrant the idea it's a problem that needs solved.

Most people that go on welfare tend to get off of it within five years. The biggest issue is that job wages haven't kept place with inflation. So there isn't a problem of motivation or people being freeloaders. It's a problem where the jobs available just aren't allowing people to survive.

I also think with advancements in technology we're getting to or are already at a point where the current model of earning a living is outdated.

At some point there will just be more people capable of working than there are jobs they can work. At that point we have to decide to let them starve or you know take care of them.

I agree most people are not freeloaders.

I also think your morality is skewed if you see no problem with taking money from those who work and giving it to those who choose not to contribute while simultaneously questioning my empathy.

Originally posted by Artol
I do think we should have less freeloading capital owners, just sitting around getting welfare from "their" workers hard labor, but I suppose that's not the freeloaders that were meant here...

Americans spend about $153,000,000,000 a year on Corporate welfare.

As I've said before, I'm against Corporate welfare.

Originally posted by Newjak
I mean in all honesty this question really comes down to your level of human empathy.

If you're okay watching "freeloaders" starve simply because they don't "want" to work then I'm not sure there is much I could do to convince you otherwise :/

Also I put two of the key words in parentheses because I don't believe they are a widespread problem. Definitely not enough of one to warrant the idea it's a problem that needs solved.

Most people that go on welfare tend to get off of it within five years. The biggest issue is that job wages haven't kept place with inflation. So there isn't a problem of motivation or people being freeloaders. It's a problem where the jobs available just aren't allowing people to survive.

I also think with advancements in technology we're getting to or are already at a point where the current model of earning a living is outdated.

At some point there will just be more people capable of working than there are jobs they can work. At that point we have to decide to let them starve or you know take care of them.

Starving to death due to only one's laziness is pathetic.

If you dont give benefits, then youll be no different to places like India crawling with homeless people and beggars everywhere.

If you want incentive for people to get off their butt, then you need to be regularly raising minimum wage. So then theres no doubt that people who are working are better off than those who dont.

But if you want to be a land of equal opportunities then you cant just let freeloaders and their children starve and freeze to death in their cardboard boxes.

Originally posted by Newjak
I mean in all honesty this question really comes down to your level of human empathy.

If you're okay watching "freeloaders" starve simply because they don't "want" to work then I'm not sure there is much I could do to convince you otherwise :/

Also I put two of the key words in parentheses because I don't believe they are a widespread problem. Definitely not enough of one to warrant the idea it's a problem that needs solved.

Most people that go on welfare tend to get off of it within five years. The biggest issue is that job wages haven't kept place with inflation. So there isn't a problem of motivation or people being freeloaders. It's a problem where the jobs available just aren't allowing people to survive.

I also think with advancements in technology we're getting to or are already at a point where the current model of earning a living is outdated.

At some point there will just be more people capable of working than there are jobs they can work. At that point we have to decide to let them starve or you know take care of them.

Originally posted by Artol
I do think we should have less freeloading capital owners, just sitting around getting welfare from "their" workers hard labor, but I suppose that's not the freeloaders that were meant here...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
If you dont give benefits, then youll be no different to places like India crawling with homeless people and beggars everywhere.

If you want incentive for people to get off their butt, then you need to be regularly raising minimum wage. So then theres no doubt that people who are working are better off than those who dont.

But if you want to be a land of equal opportunities then you cant just let freeloaders and their children starve and freeze to death in their cardboard boxes.

Cheerleader.

I live now in the country with the highest level of poverty per capita in the world, over a 200 Nigerians work for me directly. We pay them twice minimum wage in the lowest jobs up to almost Western wages in the skilled jobs which is very high here.

We had a lad who had a stroke, he was kept on, because in countries without benefits and a disability you will die. He died anyway. Another example, I've used before is the girl who needed a cesarean section, the Nigerian employees had a whilp round and fell far short. I paid the rest for her out of my own pocket including her hospital stay. We do what we can but the State should do more, I have a standing order for a charity called shelter in the UK, because for the grace of chance lives change and any of us can lose our jobs. In recessions, it can be hard o find a new one, a friend of one of my sons has serious PTSD from Helmand and cannot work, his wife left him and he lives with his mother and father. Is he a freeloader? I give to a beggar daily here with no legs literally, for him his job in Nigeria is crawling to the side of the road hoping someone will provide him with money for food today before he returns to his hovel.

This isn't virtue signalling, this is life. I've seen families sell children around this world... We should be better in nations where we are able.

@Whirly, I appreciate the post.

But I'm referring to people who choose not to contribute to society.

If people need help, due to outside factors, then we should help them.

Originally posted by wxyz
@Whirly, I appreciate the post.

But I'm referring to people who choose not to contribute to society.

If people need help, due to outside factors, then we should help them.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I think very people choose not to, and to equate the world as a level playing field simply isn't right. Even time plays a factor. In the early eighties in the UK whole communities were destroyed, the men who worked the mines for instance were not really equipped to work in other jobs at a time of high unemployment and retraining was not available anyway. They thought they had jobs for lives and had famillies to support. Same with the Docks two decades earlier or steall around the same time. As the UK moved away from manufacturing at a grass roots level, the workers had nothing. Not even their self respect.

I agree that the majority of people are not freeloaders.

And it sucks that the Government and/or private industry does not equip people for new jobs when their old jobs become outdated.

And I hate the fact that Governments stood by and let Corporations screw over people who worked in manufacturing.

Originally posted by wxyz
I agree that the majority of people are not freeloaders.

And it sucks that the Government and/or private industry does not equip people for new jobs when their old jobs become outdated.

And I hate the fact that Governments stood by and let Corporations screw over people who worked in manufacturing.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Even what you call trailer park single mothers are often not freeloaders. They get pregnant, have the kid, perhaps they are religious and won't abort. They often get pregnant because they have also sorts of factors stacked against them including poor education. Should the kid they have not have food on the table and lose its mother?

No.

Kids are minors and should be taken care of.

I want whirly to do all the work and I want all his money.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I want whirly to do all the work and I want all his money.

Not a strawman.

Facts

I want what I want

Originally posted by wxyz
No.

Kids are minors and should be taken care of.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Even if that includes supporting the mother?

Yes or legal guardian(s).

Originally posted by Darth Thor
If you dont give benefits, then youll be no different to places like India crawling with homeless people and beggars everywhere.

If you want incentive for people to get off their butt, then you need to be regularly raising minimum wage. So then theres no doubt that people who are working are better off than those who dont.

But if you want to be a land of equal opportunities then you cant just let freeloaders and their children starve and freeze to death in their cardboard boxes.

Originally posted by wxyz
Yes or legal guardian(s).