Someone explain logically, why Voter ID is racist.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In the wake of Trump's defeat six months ago, Republicans launched a desperate search for illegally cast ballots to help justify the GOP's conspiracy theories. But despite all the hysterical rhetoric, only a handful of legitimate allegations have been raised, and all involve Republicans casting illegal ballots for Trump on behalf of dead relatives.

Take Bruce Bartman, for example. The Washington Post reported this morning:

"Weeks before Election Day, Bruce Bartman mailed his mother's absentee ballot with a check mark next to President Donald Trump's name. The problem was, his mother had been dead since 2008. Bartman, 70, pleaded guilty on Friday to a charge of felony perjury and unlawful voting — and blamed his decision to cast the fraudulent ballot on consuming too many false claims about the election."

Expressing regret for his crime, the Pennsylvanian conceded, "I listened to too much propaganda and made a stupid mistake."

The Post's report added, "In addition to Bartman, two other men in Pennsylvania face charges of fraudulently voting for Trump, according to the [Philadelphia] Inquirer. Ralph Thurman of Chester County allegedly tried to cast his son's vote and Richard Lynn of Luzerne County allegedly attempted to obtain an absentee ballot for his deceased mother. Both cases are pending."

My first thought after seeing this news was to remember the case of Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in 2016 while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn't know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason—a Black woman—was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.

It's hard not to notice that Bruce Bartman—a White man—received a far more lenient sentence: five years of probation.

My second thought after seeing the report out of Pennsylvania was the expectation of Republicans seizing on the news. "See?" I assume they'll say. "Voter fraud is real after all, which means sweeping new voter-suppression laws are fully justified."

That's clearly the wrong response. What the Bartman story actually helps show is that fraud is extremely rare, and when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch them, charge them, and convict them. This doesn't prove the need for voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.

Trump's still spouting the Big LIe, that he was cheated and the GOP chooses to spread it, instead of knocking it down.

When the rare Republican speaks out against Trump's lies, they're mob-attacked internally and their job is threatened. eg Liz Cheney

Originally posted by Robtard
Trump's still spouting the Big LIe, that he was cheated and the GOP chooses to spread it, instead of knocking it down.

When the rare Republican speaks out against Trump's lies, they're mob-attacked internally and their job is threatened. eg Liz Cheney

Beyond embarrassing, but they have to maintain the course now no matter what all the way to 2022 and then 2024, "we didn't lose, we were cheated, so lets take back what was stolen!". A spin on the same old grievance-tactics they love to use.

Originally posted by Robtard
Beyond embarrassing, but they have to maintain the course now no matter what all the way to 2022 and then 2024, "we didn't lose, we were cheated, so lets take back what was stolen!". A spin on the same old grievance-tactics they love to use.

Originally posted by Robtard
Trump's still spouting the Big LIe, that he was cheated and the GOP chooses to spread it, instead of knocking it down.

When the rare Republican speaks out against Trump's lies, they're mob-attacked internally and their job is threatened. eg Liz Cheney

Oops: McCarthy Trashes Cheney on Hot Mic.

Nice.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
At this point they are unelectable, but never underestimate the hidden bigots.

Or enacting laws to restrict voting so it favors them. They've done it in Georgia and Florida.

In Florida, they now fear it may backfire on them, as it could potentially affect more of their voters.

I wonder if a Republican tries to jump ship, but the Dems probably wouldn't accept them.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I wonder if a Republican tries to jump ship, but the Dems probably wouldn't accept them.

The Democratic Party has been welcomeing Republican Party defectors. Buttigeig calls them "future former-Republicans."

That would be a real kick in the teeth if the Dems gain more senators without even trying.

When you vote in Alabama, state law requires you to show a photo ID at the polls. For most folks, this means a driver's license, but other forms of government-issued ID are permitted: a military ID, a passport, or a student ID—among others—will do.

But the last few times Alabama Republican Party Chairman John Wahl voted, he presented poll workers with an ID they had never seen before. To someone who had never seen a state employee ID, it could be mistaken for one, but it was not.

In a 2015 deposition, Wahls's brother Joshua said he and others in their family believe biometric identification—including photographs that could be used by facial recognition software—is the mark of the beast foretold in Revelation.

So Wahl and his family have manufactured their own IDs, and have been using them to vote, leading to multiple run-ins with Limestone County poll workers. When one such poll worker reported him to state officials, Wahl had country officials remove him.

Not only is this an abuse of power, but it is felony voter fraud in the state of Alabama.

Can you imagine being homeless and trying to get an id for voting? I needed a birth certificate, a social security card, two proofs of residence (utility bills and/or lease/mortgage) and proof of signature (cancelled check or credit/debit) card in order to get a Real ID. That would exclude so many people, or at the very least make it prohibitively difficult to obtain.

Originally posted by truejedi
Can you imagine being homeless and trying to get an id for voting? I needed a birth certificate, a social security card, two proofs of residence (utility bills and/or lease/mortgage) and proof of signature (cancelled check or credit/debit) card in order to get a Real ID. That would exclude so many people, or at the very least make it prohibitively difficult to obtain.

A place of residence or ID is basic for even participation in society though.

There needs to be some sort of bare minimums to prevent fraud. Otherwise what prevents a guy from Alabama from voting in California, or someone from Russia voting in a US election?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
When you vote in Alabama, state law requires you to show a photo ID at the polls. For most folks, this means a driver's license, but other forms of government-issued ID are permitted: a military ID, a passport, or a student ID—among others—will do.

But the last few times Alabama Republican Party Chairman John Wahl voted, he presented poll workers with an ID they had never seen before. To someone who had never seen a state employee ID, it could be mistaken for one, but it was not.

In a 2015 deposition, Wahls's brother Joshua said he and others in their family believe biometric identification—including photographs that could be used by facial recognition software—is the mark of the beast foretold in Revelation.

So Wahl and his family have manufactured their own IDs, and have been using them to vote, leading to multiple run-ins with Limestone County poll workers. When one such poll worker reported him to state officials, Wahl had country officials remove him.

Not only is this an abuse of power, but it is felony voter fraud in the state of Alabama.

Republicans just love being hypocrites and criminals, don't they.

Originally posted by truejedi
Can you imagine being homeless and trying to get an id for voting? I needed a birth certificate, a social security card, two proofs of residence (utility bills and/or lease/mortgage) and proof of signature (cancelled check or credit/debit) card in order to get a Real ID. That would exclude so many people, or at the very least make it prohibitively difficult to obtain.

States should issue every legal resident a state voter ID, it should be free and the people who don't already have a state ID or drivers license where their picture could be taken from, an official should should come to the person's residence to take their picture.

In the case of homeless people, there should be centers where said homeless can go to get their free voter ID. Not the most ideal, but its something.

Republicans are against this though, they want less people to vote. They want it as hard as possible for minorities and poor people to get a voter ID.

Originally posted by Robtard

Republicans are against this though, they want less people to vote. They want it as hard as possible for minorities and poor people to get a voter ID.

I laughed

Originally posted by cdtm
A place of residence or ID is basic for even participation in society though.

There needs to be some sort of bare minimums to prevent fraud. Otherwise what prevents a guy from Alabama from voting in California, or someone from Russia voting in a US election?

You do have to register. That keeps a guy from Alabama from voting in California.

Originally posted by truejedi
You do have to register. That keeps a guy from Alabama from voting in California.

Which requires some proof of eligibility. Both at registration, and at the vote.

Obv no one is suggesting taking people at their word. Homeless are a problem in the sense they lack most of the proofs we take for granted.

But that still doesn't mean taking their word for it.

Up until this year, Mark Finchem, the conspiracy theorist, Stop the Steal, election-denying Republican candidate for Arizona Secretary of State automatically received his ballot via the mail since he was a Libertarian in 2008.

Despite that, Finchem has been a strong advocate of ending no-excuse mail-in voting for all Arizonans which has been in place for decades and used by at least 80% of the electorate. Last month, Finchem claimed during his debate against Democratic challenger Adrian Fontes, the former Maricopa County recorder, that he always votes at the polls. This is a lie.

"I don't care for mail-in voting. That's why I go to the polls," Finchem said. Finchem voted early and by mail in every single election since the 2004 general except for the 2007 City of Tucson general election. That is 28 of 30 total elections (including this year's).

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