Originally posted by NemeBro
Too stupid? No. Too poor? Quite possibly, do you dispute that various forms of government identification often cost money? Do you think that people living in poverty can't as readily go out and get one, due to issues with money and lack of transportation?It's also funny that the biggest "gubment bad" guy (wxyz) on the forum wants the government to regulate who can and can't vote.
Whether or not poor people can go out as "readily" as non poor people and get id is a non issue.
It only takes a work day to get an id, and they last typically 4 years.
And as for the Government regulating who can and cannot vote, I don't know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Nuke NixonI think your missing the core problem which cdtm did a great job of talking about.
I've grown up around plenty of dirt poor white folks that couldn't afford shite, poverty ain't exclusive to POCs.
No one is saying that white people aren't poor as well but poverty disproportionately effects African Americans more than it does white people is what is talked about.
Also African Americans tend to be poor in more urban areas while white people tend to be more poor in rural areas. This also effects how poverty influences people.
Basically though anything that effects poor people tends to disproportionately effect African Americans.
Originally posted by ArtolI think this is a pretty mature stance to have.
I think you should have voter id laws only if the government delivers valid id to every citizen free of charge and without any extra work for the citizen. If they do that I have no problem with that. If it costs you money, time, and is obfuscated in other ways I am opposed to it.
Originally posted by Nuke Nixon
I've grown up around plenty of dirt poor white folks that couldn't afford shite, poverty ain't exclusive to POCs.
You're right. There are PLENTY of dirt poor white people.
But there has to be even more people of color, as the entire argument depends on disenfranchised people who can't vote with voter id laws in place, because they have no photo id (Or in many cases, as car).
Originally posted by Artol
I think you should have voter id laws only if the government delivers valid id to every citizen free of charge and without any extra work for the citizen. If they do that I have no problem with that. If it costs you money, time, and is obfuscated in other ways I am opposed to it.
The id rhetoric is all about a core issue: How do you curb voter fraud.
Of course, the left says voter fraud isn't an issue, but I still feel its pretty reasonable to ask about the protections in place, as historically photo id's have been the stop gap measure of choice in just about anything that requires proof of identity.
Originally posted by Artol
I think you should have voter id laws only if the government delivers valid id to every citizen free of charge and without any extra work for the citizen. If they do that I have no problem with that. If it costs you money, time, and is obfuscated in other ways I am opposed to it.
Do you feel the same about all the other things that currently require an ID to do/buy?
Originally posted by Artol
I think you should have voter id laws only if the government delivers valid id to every citizen free of charge and without any extra work for the citizen. If they do that I have no problem with that. If it costs you money, time, and is obfuscated in other ways I am opposed to it.
Yeah this is the only way it can and not just be a lazy means of trying to stop certain voters from voters.
It needs to be completely free and provided to every American free of charge.
But in the end it’s a solution in search of a problem since voter fraud on any significant level has still yet to be adequately proven in court and if it was going to be proven it would have been this year when there was so much attention and claims about it.
Everyone realizes that poor people come in all skin tones, yes?
Even many white people are poor and may have have just as much problems/difficulties with getting an ID as poor black or brown people. So the argument that it is the reason why it is supposedly "racist" is BS.
Voter id's should be required for all to vote.
Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah this is the only way it can and not just be a lazy means of trying to stop certain voters from voters.It needs to be completely free and provided to every American free of charge.
But in the end it’s a solution in search of a problem since voter fraud on any significant level has still yet to be adequately proven in court and if it was going to be proven it would have been this year when there was so much attention and claims about it.
Who's posting on your account, Backfire died of covid.
Originally posted by BackFire👆 Top notch!
Yeah this is the only way it can and not just be a lazy means of trying to stop certain voters from voters.It needs to be completely free and provided to every American free of charge.
But in the end it’s a solution in search of a problem since voter fraud on any significant level has still yet to be adequately proven in court and if it was going to be proven it would have been this year when there was so much attention and claims about it.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Everyone realizes that poor people come in all skin tones, yes?Even many white people are poor and may have have just as much problems/difficulties with getting an ID as poor black or brown people. So the argument that it is the reason why it is supposedly "racist" is BS.
Voter id's should be required for all to vote.
👆 Top notch!
Originally posted by cdtm
The id rhetoric is all about a core issue: How do you curb voter fraud.Of course, the left says voter fraud isn't an issue, but I still feel its pretty reasonable to ask about the protections in place, as historically photo id's have been the stop gap measure of choice in just about anything that requires proof of identity.
I agree that the rhetoric is about voter fraud, but the core of the voter id debate is not voter fraud, that is just the removed issue that is openly talked about. What is at the core of the voted id debate is what demographics vote for whom and how can you steer that to your own benefit.
I also say that the core it not voter fraud, because we can just look at research that shows that the type of voter fraud that a voter id can feasibly prevent is a non-issue in the United States, and that other places outside the United States also function perfectly fine without it.