Someone explain logically, why Voter ID is racist.

Originally posted by wxyz
Whether or not poor people can go out as "readily" as non poor people and get id is a non issue.

It only takes a work day to get an id, and they last typically 4 years.

If you believe that poor people having greater difficulty acquiring a government ID (which you think they should need to vote) is a "non-issue" then you're either mentally handicapped or, as I suspect, pushing a narrative to disenfranchise people who would be more likely to vote against your own political beliefs.

There are a lot of people in poverty whom hold onto what little money they have that isn't going into necessities to save for emergency expenses that come up from time to time. Or they just don't really have much disposable income at all in some cases. Or they just don't value voting enough to go out and spend money on an ID and would rather spend what little disposable income they have someplace else. All of these are valid enough reasons and you can frankly go **** yourself if you think they shouldn't be allowed to vote for who they want leading the country they live and pay taxes in just because they can't effortlessly drop the money to pay whatever they have to for a government ID, and for some people the costs are well over a hundred dollars and require a lot of travel when they don't necessarily have a vehicle of their own.

A better question is why do you think voter ID laws are so necessary? What scary boogeymen has convinced you of their necessity?

And as for the Government regulating who can and cannot vote, I don't know what you're talking about.

If you need a government ID to vote in elections then the government is in fact regulating who can and can not vote.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Everyone realizes that poor people come in all skin tones, yes?

Even many white people are poor and may have have just as much problems/difficulties with getting an ID as poor black or brown people. So the argument that it is the reason why it is supposedly "racist" is BS.

Voter id's should be required for all to vote.

But while poor people come in all colors, they are disproportionately ethnic minorities, in this case black or hispanic. Or to put it another way, a far greater percentage of black and hispanic people live in poverty compared to white people (and much less than asian people incidentally).

That is why it is considered racist, because it affects a far larger percentage of black and hispanic people than it does white people. And also because it is obviously a targeted disenfranchisement of them because those demographics tend to largely vote democrat.

Voter ID is effectively a poll tax. Over 20-million eligible voters do not have a government-issued ID. And the cost of the underlying documents to obtain one range for $75 to $175. The travel required is an additional burden. For some rural Americans, the nearest ID office is 170 miles away. Never mind that many ID offices operate only part-time. One office in Georgia, for example, is only open on the fifth Wednesday of the month, which is only four times a year. Most wage earners do not have paid time off, and live paycheck-to-paycheck. They simply cannot afford to take an unpaid day off work, arrange transportation, and spend the entire day traveling and waiting in line at an ID office to spend money they do not have on ID, so they can exercise their constitutional rights.

I completely understand why lefties don't want voter id to be a requirement for voting: it makes it much harder for their side to get away with cheating.

So of course they're going to make up all kinds of excuses for why it shouldn't be mandatory.

And it is no shock that democrats don't think voter fraud is a big deal since it is those on their side who're typically doing the cheating.

Originally posted by NemeBro
If you believe that poor people having greater difficulty acquiring a government ID (which you think they should need to vote) is a "non-issue" then you're either mentally handicapped or, as I suspect, pushing a narrative to disenfranchise people who would be more likely to vote against your own political beliefs.

There are a lot of people in poverty whom hold onto what little money they have that isn't going into necessities to save for emergency expenses that come up from time to time. Or they just don't really have much disposable income at all in some cases. Or they just don't value voting enough to go out and spend money on an ID and would rather spend what little disposable income they have someplace else. All of these are valid enough reasons and you can frankly go **** yourself if you think they shouldn't be allowed to vote for who they want leading the country they live and pay taxes in just because they can't effortlessly drop the money to pay whatever they have to for a government ID, and for some people the costs are well over a hundred dollars and require a lot of travel when they don't necessarily have a vehicle of their own.

A better question is why do you think voter ID laws are so necessary? What scary boogeymen has convinced you of their necessity?

If you need a government ID to vote in elections then the government is in fact regulating who can and can not vote.

Here in Canada, Voter ID is just common sense, you have to prove who you are in order to vote.

I find it shocking that people don't see that.

As for the cost and time.

I still don't see it as an argument, just excuses.

And as for the Government requiring ID to vote = the Government regulating who votes.

You're right.

And that's a good thing, not a bad thing like you're making it out to be.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Voter ID is effectively a poll tax. Over 20-million eligible voters do not have a government-issued ID. And the cost of the underlying documents to obtain one range for $75 to $175. The travel required is an additional burden. For some rural Americans, the nearest ID office is 170 miles away. Never mind that many ID offices operate only part-time. One office in Georgia, for example, is only open on the fifth Wednesday of the month, which is only four times a year. Most wage earners do not have paid time off, and live paycheck-to-paycheck. They simply cannot afford to take an unpaid day off work, arrange transportation, and spend the entire day traveling and waiting in line at an ID office to spend money they do not have on ID, so they can exercise their constitutional rights.

So would you be in favor of the Government giving every Citizen a free form of ID that can be used for Government services including voting?

Originally posted by wxyz
Here in Canada, Voter ID is just common sense, you have to prove who you are in order to vote.

I find it shocking that people don't see that.

As for the cost and time.

I still don't see it as an argument, just excuses.

And as for the Government requiring ID to vote = the Government regulating who votes.

You're right.

And that's a good thing, not a bad thing like you're making it out to be.

People already have to establish their identity in order to register to vote. The system is pretty good at preventing, detecting, and punishing fraud. That is why there is virtually none.

Originally posted by wxyz
So would you be in favor of the Government giving every Citizen a free form of ID that can be used for Government services including voting?

Of course. The only objection to voter ID is that it is unnecessarily burdensome to obtain it. If the government issued them to everyone for free, then no one would care.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Of course. The only objection to voter ID is that it is unnecessarily burdensome to obtain it. If the government issued them to everyone for free, then no one would care.

I'm in favor of that too.

But glad we agree that you should provide ID to vote, whether or not the Government provides it free of charge.

Originally posted by wxyz
I'm in favor of that too.

But glad we agree that you should provide ID to vote, whether or not the Government provides it free of charge.

No, we do not agree. I said I did not object to voter ID if the government provides it to everyone for free. I did not say I think it is necessary.

Some people on this forum are so good at being dicks. 😂

Voter ID isn't racist but a lot of the people who want it implemented are.

People comparing this to a driver's license are stupid or confused. Driving is a privilege, voting is a right. You shouldn't have to pay to be able to vote.

I guess the government should cover my transportation costs and wages too, right?

Originally posted by wxyz
I guess the government should cover my transportation costs and wages too, right?

Since voting is a Constitutional right (Voting Rights Act of 1965) of every citizen in the US, yes, the government should cover all cost related to having a voter id, if a voter id is to be mandatory.

Only bigots think what would amount to another poll tax is not both racially and class motivated.

Originally posted by Robtard
Since voting is a Constitutional right (Voting Rights Act of 1965) of every citizen in the US, yes, the government should cover all cost related to having a voter id, if a voter id is to be mandatory.

Only bigots think what would amount to another poll tax is not both racially and class motivated.

Okay Robtard. 😆

Originally posted by wxyz
I guess the government should cover my transportation costs and wages too, right?

Originally posted by wxyz
I guess the government should cover my transportation costs and wages too, right?

If you're employed by the government...

Originally posted by Robtard
Since voting is a Constitutional right (Voting Rights Act of 1965) of every citizen in the US, yes, the government should cover all cost related to having a voter id, if a voter id is to be mandatory.

Only bigots think what would amount to another poll tax is not both racially and class motivated.

So, the argument is that people shouldn't have to pay in order to exercise their rights?