Originally posted by JBL
Dying and having no strength are two different things. Someone can inject me with cyanide yet I can still push my vet out of the garage until that stuff takes effect. People are flat out lying about Superman's state of being. Hulk has the greater feat period, and only Gladiator can beat it.
He was already dying:
But you didn't address the point about pushing the 10 ton ball into space vs lifting it on your back....
this guy definitely may have a stars core, but is in no way comparable to our star in weight. I don’t believe he’d even be comparable to OGLE-TR-122b because he hasn’t undergone the same amount of fission to produce the mass necessary. Nor shown the same gravitational pull, period.
In Hulks case it was ACTUALLY mentioned the spear is a star and posses the mass of a star. Stay salty abhi 😂 😂
Originally posted by JBL
How much did that living sun weight vs the weight hulk had to overcome? In other words and in human terms, supermans weight would be like 100 lb, hulks will be like 10,000 lb, now if I could fly, I could fly that 100 lb into outer space, but I couldn't get that 10,000 lb off me.
But we also don't know how much that spear weighed.
A supernova, after all, is just the explosion of a star. How much does an explosion weigh?
And if Albert replies, hey Albert, please tell me how SBP managed to spend years on one planet but mere hours passed on another.
In short, it wasn't a supernova that held Hulk down - it was the weight of that 'new star'.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But we also don't know how much that spear weighed.A supernova, after all, is just the explosion of a star. How much does an explosion weigh?
And if Albert replies, hey Albert, please tell me how SBP managed to spend years on one planet but mere hours passed on another.
In short, it wasn't a supernova that held Hulk down - it was the weight of that 'new star'.
What? Stars general collapse and undergo supernova after becoming a Red Super Giant or a Red Giant. That’s how they generally pan out. Since It was mentioned that it was an all consuming and life bringing star we can assume it turned into a White Dwarf or Neutron Star. Even still at lowest that hulk feat would be about 8 solar mass or 1.754e+28 tonnes
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
page before that, make sure to post this next time:😂 no amount of derailing and spamming is gonna stop me from correcting you on your wrongs kid
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 I don't know anything about that kind of pseudo science, and I doubt Hickman does either. Also he was hovering right above ground level. If he weighed as much as a star, the earth would have been destroyed just from THAT. Not a "feat"
But yeah, the preceding page doesn't chime with JBL's statement. He said it was the force of the explosion holding Hulk down.
But your page....doesn't actually say that 😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But yeah, the preceding page doesn't chime with JBL's statement. He said it was the force of the explosion holding Hulk down.But your page....doesn't actually say that 😂
The preceding page talks about what the star went threw ‘all consuming supernova and life giving’. We can speculate it was going through it’s normal lifespan.
I'm an idiot and I have no idea about physics, politics, laws or nature or any of that bullcrap... so someone help me out here:
Let's just say (for the sake of the argument) that Kill-All, the Last Son did in fact weigh as much as a star – which is why Luthor couldn't really handle him... Instead of, you know, Last Son simply being physically stronger and pushing back against Luthor.
But let's say he did weigh as much as a star. And he was on Earth. Wouldn't that have pulled plenty of characters into him? Because as far as I believe to know, a star has a much stronger gravitational pull than the Earth. So, if he did weigh as much as a star (and pretty much was a humanoid star), someone like Batman would have been stuck onto him 24/7 (probably worse than that).
The argument seems to be, that since Luthor couldn't handle Last Son (despite Luthors black hole powered suit), Last Son was as heavy as a star. But other than that there is absolutely nothing that hints at Last Son being an ACTUAL sentient star. Things would have automatically happened at that point.
In my eyes Luthor couldn't deal with Last Son, because he is weaker than Superman – and not because Last Son was too heavy for Luthor to handle. Also, having a black hole powered suit does not automatically mean that everything your suit does equals a black hole. And then when Luthor did release the black hole shenanigans... didn't Last Son die? Or did I miss something? I mean... I've seen Savage Hulk overpower black holes before :-7
My vote goes to Hulk by default, because it's much more clear cut. Hulk was pushing back against the actual weight of a star. Supermans showcase was rather iffy. At least from what I can tell. Feel free to prove me wrong.
Originally posted by Enzeru. So why weren’t things pulled to th spear? If an object has weight it has gravity. No one got pulled to the spear as far as I know.
I'm an idiot and I have no idea about physics, politics, laws or nature or any of that bullcrap... so someone help me out here:Let's just say (for the sake of the argument) that Kill-All, the Last Son did in fact weigh as much as a star – which is why Luthor couldn't really handle him... Instead of, you know, Last Son simply being physically stronger and pushing back against Luthor.
But let's say he did weigh as much as a star. And he was on Earth. Wouldn't that have pulled plenty of characters into him? Because as far as I believe to know, a star has a much stronger gravitational pull than the Earth. So, if he did weigh as much as a star (and pretty much was a humanoid star), someone like Batman would have been stuck onto him 24/7 (probably worse than that).The argument seems to be, that since Luthor couldn't handle Last Son (despite Luthors black hole powered suit), Last Son was as heavy as a star. But other than that there is absolutely nothing that hints at Last Son being an ACTUAL sentient star. Things would have automatically happened at that point.
In my eyes Luthor couldn't deal with Last Son, because he is weaker than Superman – and not because Last Son was too heavy for Luthor to handle. Also, having a black hole powered suit does not automatically mean that everything your suit does equals a black hole. And then when Luthor did release the black hole shenanigans... didn't Last Son die? Or did I miss something? I mean... I've seen Savage Hulk overpower black holes before :-7
My vote goes to Hulk by default, because it's much more clear cut. Hulk was pushing back against the actual weight of a star. Supermans showcase was rather iffy. At least from what I can tell. Feel free to prove me wrong.
I was actually not ready to commit to this feat but we’re going by statements. If carver, JBL, Thehulkster and Trollberto can accept the statement about the spear then why can’t they accept the statement in death metal?
Originally posted by Enzeru
I'm an idiot and I have no idea about physics, politics, laws or nature or any of that bullcrap... so someone help me out here:Let's just say (for the sake of the argument) that Kill-All, the Last Son did in fact weigh as much as a star – which is why Luthor couldn't really handle him... Instead of, you know, Last Son simply being physically stronger and pushing back against Luthor.
But let's say he did weigh as much as a star. And he was on Earth. Wouldn't that have pulled plenty of characters into him? Because as far as I believe to know, a star has a much stronger gravitational pull than the Earth. So, if he did weigh as much as a star (and pretty much was a humanoid star), someone like Batman would have been stuck onto him 24/7 (probably worse than that).The argument seems to be, that since Luthor couldn't handle Last Son (despite Luthors black hole powered suit), Last Son was as heavy as a star. But other than that there is absolutely nothing that hints at Last Son being an ACTUAL sentient star. Things would have automatically happened at that point.
In my eyes Luthor couldn't deal with Last Son, because he is weaker than Superman – and not because Last Son was too heavy for Luthor to handle. Also, having a black hole powered suit does not automatically mean that everything your suit does equals a black hole. And then when Luthor did release the black hole shenanigans... didn't Last Son die? Or did I miss something? I mean... I've seen Savage Hulk overpower black holes before :-7
My vote goes to Hulk by default, because it's much more clear cut. Hulk was pushing back against the actual weight of a star. Supermans showcase was rather iffy. At least from what I can tell. Feel free to prove me wrong.
Let’s put it this way. Johnny storm goes supernova. This has been confirmed several times in comics that it was comparable to an actual supernova. He has never destroyed a planet due to it though a supernova would actually do so. Considering his size if he was a star the amount of destruction seems pretty legit for his size. Even the core of a star can be anywhere between the size of the moon to mercury. This same star has had time to build up mass through various fusion. Last Son is neither the size of the moon nor has he had the time to undergo fusion to create the mass necessary to compare to a normal sun. That being said, there is no reference to him weighing the same as our star. Just speculation from fans based on him being a star