Shazam/Aquaman/Wonder Woman vs. MCU Hulk/Worthy Cap/Thor

Originally posted by 9jaboy
I'm more focused on your claim lacking proof.
If you want to call him out on Diana's speed, cool...
If you make any claims you gotta back it up.

No if you want to enter the debate then enter it. But dont use my comments to start a 2nd debate with me when im debating an entirely different point.

Anyway just off the top of my head his multi directional attacks have put Loki on his ass. And by his own words hes never even gone for the kill against Loki.

His single lightning attacks also have a massive range in their effectiveness, hence taking out entire landscapes.

So yes there is plenty of proof his lightning could hit her with plenty of effectiveness. Just because you were not aware of it, doesnt mean I had no evidence.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No if you want to enter the debate then enter it. But dont use my comments to start a 2nd debate with me when im debating an entirely different point.

Anyway just off the top of my head his multi directional attacks have put Loki on his ass. And by his own words hes never even gone for the kill against Loki.

His single lightning attacks also have a massive range in their effectiveness, hence taking out entire landscapes.

So yes there is plenty of proof his lightning could hit her with plenty of effectiveness. Just because you were not aware of it, doesnt mean I had no evidence.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
The same Loki that had trouble with Cap? That is scared to death of Ironman , That was bested by Valkyrie? A no match for hulk(Even hulk that loses to everyone)?
Yeah Loki is fodder.
That's who you want compare to Wonderwoman?

When did Loki have trouble against Cap lmao?

Loki aint fodder lmao. Hes durable as hell. Survived a drop into nothingness.

Its for you to prove Wonder Woman is significantly more durable.

I also like how you completely ignored the fact that Thor was Never going for the kill against Loki. In other words putting Loki on his ass was him holding back with his lightning.

Just face facts, theres literally no reason to believe his lightning is significantly less powerful when firing multiple shots. Ive addressed your (troll) argument successfully. Move on.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That was one shot she redirected. And why are we comparing Ares lightning to lightning which has one shot Leviathans? Or torn apart entire landscapes and Islands?

Lol as soon as you mention the strongest person WW has hurt at super speed.

The hypocrisy of the speed argument at play right here.

It was more than one shot, actually. But more importantly, Thor's lightning cloak is vastly weaker than those big attacks that you mentioned, so hardly an apples to apples comparison. It's up to you to prove that Thor's lightning cloak (which has never affected anyone above mook level) can harm someone who can absorb Zeus/Ares' thunderbolts.

Wonder Woman has hurt Doomsday with her speed and sword (which is part of her standard gear), and Doomsday shits all over the Marvel team as far strength and durability goes. And all this is assuming that:

A) Thor will use his lightning cloak around his allies, which he never does in Infinity war or Endgame.
B)That Diana will pair up with him. What happens if she goes for Hulk first and beheads him immediately? Then it's 3v2.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
When did Loki have trouble against Cap lmao?

Loki aint fodder lmao. Hes durable as hell. Survived a drop into nothingness.

Its for you to prove Wonder Woman is significantly more durable.

I also like how you completely ignored the fact that Thor was Never going for the kill against Loki. In other words putting Loki on his ass was him holding back with his lightning.

Just face facts, theres literally no reason to believe his lightning is significantly less powerful when firing multiple shots. Ive addressed your (troll) argument successfully. Move on.

Loki is definitely fodder.

Exactly how Ironman was not going for the kill and knocked him on his ass.
Was Valkyrie going for the kill as well.

Thor's lightning did nothing but push weak ass fodder Loki down which , it doesn't take much to push Loki down.

Do you think Loki could headbutt someone like Superman. He'd smash his skull in the process.

Originally posted by Psychotron
It's up to you to prove that Thor's lightning cloak (which has never affected anyone above mook level) can harm someone who can absorb Zeus/Ares' thunderbolts.

Then using that logic, it would also be up to you to prove that Diana can one-shot speedblitz anyone above mook level.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Avengers.

Loki is definitely fodder.

Exactly how Ironman was not going for the kill and knocked him on his ass.
Was Valkyrie going for the kill as well.

Thor's lightning did nothing but push weak ass fodder Loki down which , it doesn't take much to push Loki down.

Do you think Loki could headbutt someone like Superman. He'd smash his skull in the process.

Hes fought Thor in hand to hand. Do you realise how few people are even capable of that?

Lmao Valkyrie is beastly strong herself. You are incredibly biased.

Okay IM knocked him on his ass with a full blast. You think IM wasnt going for the kill though? So we know Thors omni directional lightning even whilst holding back is at least as good as a kill blast from IM.

Loki might not have Wonder Womans strength but hes got great durability. He aint no fodder. Make a proper argument, or face facts, that you brought up this argument assuming Thors omni lightning hadnt done anything, and you were wrong. End of.

I see you still havent addresses her avoiding his Island/Landscape destroying blasts.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Then using that logic, it would also be up to you to prove that Diana can one-shot speedblitz anyone above mook level.

Exactly 👆

And Loki aint no mook lmao.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hes fought Thor in hand to hand. Do you realise how few people are even capable of that?

Lmao Valkyrie is beastly strong herself. You are incredibly biased.

Okay IM knocked him on his ass with a full blast. You think IM wasnt going for the kill though? So we know Thors omni directional lightning even whilst holding back is at least as good as a kill blast from IM.

Loki might not have Wonder Womans strength but hes got great durability. He aint no fodder. Make a proper argument, or face facts, that you brought up this argument assuming Thors omni lightning hadnt done anything, and you were wrong. End of.

I see you still havent addresses her avoiding his Island/Landscape destroying blasts.

Exactly 👆

And Loki aint no mook lmao.

I should also point out that Loki is bulletproof whereas WW isn't.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Then using that logic, it would also be up to you to prove that Diana can one-shot speedblitz anyone above mook level.

Eh, no. We've seen Diana defeat characters much stronger than mooks, we've never seen Thor hurt anyone significant with it. It sure as hell didn't do anything Hela, but then again she would solo both teams.

And once again, I ask why would you assume that he would even use it around Hulk and Steve? We know he didn't use it in Infinity War and Endgame. Also, feel free to provide proof that Thor's lightning cloak can hurt a high tier character, especially someone who can absorb and redirect lightning.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I should also point out that Loki is bulletproof whereas WW isn't.

Incorrect. She got shot point blank in WW 84 in her depowered state, and while it gave her a few bruises and tore her skin, it didn't seriously hurt her even in her weakened state.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Eh, no. We've seen Diana defeat characters much stronger than mooks, we've never seen Thor hurt anyone significant with it. It sure as hell didn't do anything Hela, but then again she would solo both teams.

And once again, I ask why would you assume that he would even use it around Hulk and Steve? We know he didn't use it in Infinity War and Endgame. Also, feel free to provide proof that Thor's lightning cloak can hurt a high tier character, especially someone who can absorb and redirect lightning.

And we've also seen Thor defeat characters much stronger than mooks. But if you want proof of Thor specifically using his lightning cloak against characters much stronger than mooks, then we also want proof that Diana can specifically one-shot speedblitz characters much stronger than mooks.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Incorrect. She got shot point blank in WW 84 in her depowered state, and while it gave her a few bruises and tore her skin, it didn't seriously hurt her even in her weakened state.

She got wounded by a bullet. That's not bulletproof. If there's a scene where she gets shot point blank without damage, could you point out that scene?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I should also point out that Loki is bulletproof whereas WW isn't.

👆

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hes fought Thor in hand to hand. Do you realise how few people are even capable of that?

Lmao Valkyrie is beastly strong herself. You are incredibly biased.

Okay IM knocked him on his ass with a full blast. You think IM wasnt going for the kill though? So we know Thors omni directional lightning even whilst holding back is at least as good as a kill blast from IM.

Loki might not have Wonder Womans strength but hes got great durability. He aint no fodder. Make a proper argument, or face facts, that you brought up this argument assuming Thors omni lightning hadnt done anything, and you were wrong. End of.

I see you still havent addresses her avoiding his Island/Landscape destroying blasts.

Exactly 👆

And Loki aint no mook lmao.

Valkyrie beat Loki's ass lol.

Which full blast? Does Ironman have half blast, and that wasn't even Bleeding Edge dude! Haha
Actually once Thor had enough , he dispatched Loki like a fodder that he is. You're the one biased thinking Loki is worth anything.

You also failed to acknowledge that Hulk treats Loki like fodder

Loki is Fodder period.

Good thing Wonder woman isn't a Landscape then.

You use Loki's hand to hand combat with Thor to try and make Loki look good but then you turn around and use Thor holding back and still easily dispatching Loki to make Thor look good without realizing you're fodderising Loki.

Don't you ever compare Loki to Thor . Ever!

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Cap also fought Loki hand to hand.

I have no skin in this argument, but Cap was getting ragdolled. He had nothing for Loki. He fought Valkyrie fairly well and she's a beast. He also was whipping on Hela's goons on the bridge. As for durability, the guy got repeatedly smashed by the Hulk with no lasting injuries. He isnt fodder.

Originally posted by tkitna
I have no skin in this argument, but Cap was getting ragdolled. He had nothing for Loki. He fought Valkyrie fairly well and she's a beast. He also was whipping on Hela's goons on the bridge. As for durability, the guy got repeatedly smashed by the Hulk with no lasting injuries. He isnt fodder.

I brought Cap up, when he compared Loki to Thor.
What makes Valkyrie a beast?
Dude was near death after being smashed on concrete by Hulk haha.
Hulk didn't even punch him.

Loki has survived some beatings ,guess what so has Cap.

Cap survived getting punched by Thanos.
Loki was choked by Thanos with one hand while smiling.
Cap survived fighting Ironman and even took his blast.
Loki couldn't handle a single blast from Ironman.
In the big boys fight Loki is Fodder.

Originally posted by FrothByte
She got wounded by a bullet. That's not bulletproof. If there's a scene where she gets shot point blank without damage, could you point out that scene?

She got hurt when she was heavily depowered yeah, but it was not lethal. Even she looked surprised. She got shot point blank in the White House fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And we've also seen Thor defeat characters much stronger than mooks. But if you want proof of Thor specifically using his lightning cloak against characters much stronger than mooks, then we also want proof that Diana can specifically one-shot speedblitz characters much stronger than mooks.

Except we've never seen Thor defeat those characters with his lightning cloak. We've never seen the lightning cloak affect someone who can absorb the lightning of a god slayer like Ares, while we have seen Diana injure Doomsday with her sword. We know she's much faster than anyone on team Marvel by feats and we know her sword can cut anyone on the Marvel team thanks to DD feats. So yes, if she uses her speed and sword against Hulk for example, there's not much her can do to avoid getting beheaded.

And don't think that I haven't noticed that you and Darth Thor are avoiding the friendly fire aspect of the cloak. It's out of character for Thor to use his lightning cloak when there are allies around him and you know you cannot refute this.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
I brought Cap up, when he compared Loki to Thor.
What makes Valkyrie a beast?
Dude was near death after being smashed on concrete by Hulk haha.
Hulk didn't even punch him.

Loki has survived some beatings ,guess what so has Cap.

Loki was not near death. Worse for wear, sure, but he was moving and talking fine.

Hulk didnt punch him, but he knocked him into a concrete wall that didnt do anything to him.

No, Loki isnt up there with the big boys, but he's not that far off.