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Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah, I know one allows kicks on downed opponents it still bans downward elbows to the top of the head, back of the neck, spine doesn't it? Thing about Judo vs muay thai clothed and unclothed is all elbows and knees lose effectiveness in heavy coats. It's why as a doorman you get given a crombie, for judo it just adds leverage and points of contact. The plum is not just to set up sweeps and grappling, its mainly to control the body to allow knees and avoid takedown, if you have a good plum, for the street it can frame headbutt etc. As Letheringsett practitioners show. All these things make it very difficult for the no gi arsenal of a Judoka. Yeah, if the Nak Muay has some Judi, or wrestling it would be harder still. In clothes Judoka, in shorts Nak muay for me on the street. Because the Judoka will eat to much engaging and struggle to stay engaged. If it goes to ground sure, he'll gain dominance of a pure Nak Muay. In winter clothes 10/10 Judoka, in shots Nak Muay more than a majority.

Nah. The Nak Muay generally loses to the Judoka. We've seen too much evidence to argue otherwise. David Fernandez vs Luis Sanchez is a prime example. Luis had only shorts on and still got thrown and submitted. It's an old fight but style vs style matchups are hard to come by these days. Kevin Ross vs Michihiro Omigawa is a modern example I guess(2014). It was shootboxing rules, which I actually enjoy as a sport, but it's basically everything that would prevent Omigawa from using his full game--boxing gloves, no gi, no newaza allowed, throw attempts often interrupted by ref, etc. Kevin even got the full plum, and still got thrown, as the judoka still has options from that position. The fight was stopped due to a cut, but it was clear Omigawa would have destroyed if allowed his full arsenal.

The nak muay runs into the age old problem of pure striking in this context: they are dependent on getting a flash KO to win, but that will only happen about 10-20% of time. The rest of the time, they get dumped on their heads.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
one or two styles have elements still to dangerous for most rings, street savate for instance replaces the hardened soles and heels of savate, which gave mma the oblique kicks jones uses, yes we have them in muay thai and other styles, they are deployed differently and on the street with steel heels and steel toecap savate, a sport for training kicking in weighted shoes, becomes bone breaking and lethal. It's like wearing knuckle dusters on your feet. I actually had a pair of street savate shoes, they are the ultimate equaliser.

Oblique kicks work, yes. Saying they become deadly with steel toed boots is like saying snake style kung fu becomes deadly with a knife in your hand though. Aikido is totally badass if you hold your opponent at gun point.

You're just talking about weapons at that point. It says very little of the technique itself.

Also, I just remembered you like to troll about this stuff, and I may have just taken the bait. hmm

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Originally posted by StyleTime
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Also, I just remembered you like to troll about this stuff, and I may have just taken the bait. hmm

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