Originally posted by carthage
My only familiarity with Black Knight is how long he was frozen in the Dormammu/Loki arc of Defenders. What has he done to make him as skilled as the guy who is a better duelist than Sidious in canon?
sword fighting feats are sort of tough to come by in marvel. he is certainly considered the best swordsman in marvel, and has been called one of the greatest of all time. he's fast enough with the blade to parry laser fire regularly and easily like vader and is skilled enough to cleanly stalemate logan in a sword v claw match up. dane has never lost a sword fight afaik. /shrug
Re: Re: Vader vs Black Knight
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Force users use the Force to enhance their physicals, reactions, their saber prowess.Impossible to say how good they'd be if they got disconnected from it.
You'd need to put them in an arena filled with Ysalamiri.
Even the usage of a lightsaber was meant to be Force dependent, back in the day - it's weight (i.e. none) was very hard to deal with for normies.
Originally posted by leonidasOkay, so Vader just can't use offensive Force attacks like TK and whatnot, but can still use the Force as he normally would in a saber clash(ie. to enhance precog, speed, strength, stamina, etc.)?
yeah i thought of that but figured vader could always used the force when he fights with the saber so it would be standard for him to use the force to enhance his skills. i was looking for standard portrayals of each.
In canon, Vader > Palpatine ~ Yoda in sabers... And Yoda had mastered every form of lightsaber combat throughout his lifetime. But it's really hard to say how Vader's swordsmanship would compare to guys from mainstream Marvel. The continuities are just so different.
yeah i agree 100%. wasn't sure if someone had an interesting take on things or if vader had ever gone up against a more traditional type of swordsman somewhere. i'm thinking of the recent season of mandalorian, just as an example of where my head is at, where mando held his own against Ahsoka briefly in melee.
just rewatched the clone wars s05e15 where viszla and maul had a truly epic (considered one of the great duels in star wars canon) battle. viszla, a mandalorian, was a very gifted warrior but not, imo, better than marvel's top guys. i think that fight goes to show a very skilled warrior can match jedi in straight swordplay. vader >maul, but with a blade i'd say dane>viszla so.... shrug
btw, the darksaber is awesome lol
where did that happen? and like i said, i'm just using it as an example to show that a warrior/non-jedi can possibly match a jedi/sith in a straight duel. obviously vader could kill dane with a simple choke, but the ebony blade vs a lightsaber would be hella cool imo and i'm not sure dane couldn't hold his own here.
Originally posted by leonidasI think he was referring to Star Wars Rebels. Obi Wan did cut down Maul in three strikes.
where did that happen?
Originally posted by leonidas
where did that happen? and like i said, i'm just using it as an example to show that a warrior/non-jedi can possibly match a jedi/sith in a straight duel. obviously vader could kill dane with a simple choke, but the ebony blade vs a lightsaber would be hella cool imo and i'm not sure dane couldn't hold his own here.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I think he was referring to Star Wars Rebels. Obi Wan did cut down Maul in three strikes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeG215-yu-k
Though this scene has some extra context
My mistake, misremembered it.
What context?
Originally posted by cdtm
My mistake, misremembered it.What context?
It was more of a mental fight shown in the samurai style than a purely physical tussle:
The instinct would be, and probably, I admit, the expectation, is for some kind of prolonged lightsaber battle. But I've done a lot of prolonged lightsaber battles over the years and I think what's most important about any kind of confrontation is what's riding on it. What's the tension going into it? It starts to matter less and less how you swing a sword or how creatively you do it if there's not a lot riding on it. [...]
It really is to express the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. Which is the Jedi become selfless and the Sith remain selfish. When pressed, because Obi-Wan is protecting someone else in the end, he does fight. But because he is so true and knows who he is in that moment, you can't defeat that. So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person, which I think is why in the end you see Maul being cradled by Obi-Wan.
This idea is that Obi-Wan is willing to forgive this person who is so cruel and terrible because he feels pity for him. To his dying breath Maul is hoping there will be some revenge exacted upon his enemies. And in my mind, Obi-Wan expresses sadness there because that means that Maul has never grown and will never be released from his suffering. So I felt that moment had to be beyond a lightsaber fight and had to be more an expression of their characters.
Filoni pointed toward Kyuzo, master swordsman of Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai, as inspiration for Obi-Wan reluctantly accepting (and ending) the duel with knowledge of its quick outcome. As explained in post-show Rebels Recon, the duel also ends with Maul attempting the same hilt bash move that led to Qui-Gon Jinn's death in The Phantom Menace, though the elder Kenobi anticipates and strikes through it.
https://screencrush.com/star-wars-rebels-maul-kenobi-duel-ending/
And, as stated above, Maul hoped to get Kenobi killed the same way he did with Jinn:
Obviously, Kenobi was ready for that.
But in the end, even if we consider all the interviews and articles about the fight, Obi-Wan was clearly superior, as Filoni himself confirmed:
Obi-Wan doesn't want to fight Darth Maul. I think that's hard for people to understand. Some people think that what they want is a big, long lightsaber fight. To what end? Every time Maul would block or parry Obi-Wan Kenobi would mean that he is his equal, and I just don't think he is.
https://www.starwars.com/news/dave-filoni-interview-star-wars-rebels-season-three