Originally posted by cdtm
Where does this come from?Is it fan theory, or has someone official spoken that this was the intent?
It's official:
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was more of a mental fight shown in the samurai style than a purely physical tussle:The instinct would be, and probably, I admit, the expectation, is for some kind of prolonged lightsaber battle. But I've done a lot of prolonged lightsaber battles over the years and I think what's most important about any kind of confrontation is what's riding on it. What's the tension going into it? It starts to matter less and less how you swing a sword or how creatively you do it if there's not a lot riding on it. [...]
It really is to express the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. Which is the Jedi become selfless and the Sith remain selfish. When pressed, because Obi-Wan is protecting someone else in the end, he does fight. But because he is so true and knows who he is in that moment, you can't defeat that. So Obi-Wan is going to strike down Maul because Maul is such a broken and lost person, which I think is why in the end you see Maul being cradled by Obi-Wan.
This idea is that Obi-Wan is willing to forgive this person who is so cruel and terrible because he feels pity for him. To his dying breath Maul is hoping there will be some revenge exacted upon his enemies. And in my mind, Obi-Wan expresses sadness there because that means that Maul has never grown and will never be released from his suffering. So I felt that moment had to be beyond a lightsaber fight and had to be more an expression of their characters.
https://screencrush.com/star-wars-rebels-maul-kenobi-duel-ending/
And, as stated above, Maul hoped to get Kenobi killed the same way he did with Jinn:
Obviously, Kenobi was ready for that.
But in the end, even if we consider all the interviews and articles about the fight, Obi-Wan was clearly superior, as Filoni himself confirmed:
Obi-Wan doesn't want to fight Darth Maul. I think that's hard for people to understand. Some people think that what they want is a big, long lightsaber fight. To what end? Every time Maul would block or parry Obi-Wan Kenobi would mean that he is his equal, and I just don't think he is.
https://www.starwars.com/news/dave-filoni-interview-star-wars-rebels-season-three
tl;dr ---
Filoni pointed toward Kyuzo, master swordsman of Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai, as inspiration for Obi-Wan reluctantly accepting (and ending) the duel with knowledge of its quick outcome. As explained in post-show Rebels Recon, the duel also ends with Maul attempting the same hilt bash move that led to Qui-Gon Jinn's death in The Phantom Menace, though the elder Kenobi anticipates and strikes through it.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It comes from Ultimate Star Wars (2019)
But like Stilt said, Even though there is some extra context aged Obi Wan was still clearly superior to Maul
Yeah.
No matter how we look at it, Kenobi has bested Maul.
Originally posted by cdtm
That's even worse then Count Dooku being taken hostage by pirates.
Jango was the best bounty hunter in the galaxy and Boba was supposed to surpass him in every conceivable way.
He is not a fodder pirate; he eats those for breakfast and shits out Iron Fist villains.
But it's sure embarrassing for Vader, especially since Boba ignited his saber for the first time and started blocking Anakin's blows from a very bad position (he was knocked down on his butt and in the process of getting up...).
that is....an impressive find stilt. 👆
i think it goes to show that dane (who i feel confident saying is a FAR better sword duellist than even boba) has a chance here. and like i said, ebony blade v lightsaber would be cool. i wonder if the ebony blade could actually cut the saber blade? anyone know if a saber's light blade has ever been cut? we know magic can act as a threat to jedi (see maul's witch mom and sidious) so there is at least some precedence. i find this match up interesting for all kinds of reasons. lol
Originally posted by leonidas
anyone know if a saber's light blade has ever been cut?
But that's cortosis with unique conductive properties.
Then again, Ebony Blade is not exactly a conventional weapon, either (it deflected Zeus' lightning back at him and stuff like that).
Also, in Star Wars: Attack of the Clones: The Visual Dictionary, sabers powered by synthetic crystals were said to be able to "cut" sometimes through the ones powered by natural crystals...
But nothing shown in movies or anywhere else supports that and it counts as Legends now, anyway (same with that cortosis panel).
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWCortosis is still a thing in canon as well, and it basically does the same thing to sabers: essentially redirecting the energy of a lightsaber back into itself, causing it to momentarily shut down.But that's cortosis with unique conductive properties.
Then again, Ebony Blade is not exactly a conventional weapon, either (it deflected Zeus' lightning back at him and stuff like that).
Also, in Star Wars: Attack of the Clones: The Visual Dictionary, sabers powered by synthetic crystals were said to be able to "cut" sometimes through the ones powered by natural crystals...
But nothing shown in movies or anywhere else supports that and it counts as Legends now, anyway (same with that cortosis panel).
Originally posted by Galan007
Cortosis is still a thing in canon as well, and it does essentially the same thing to sabers: essentially redirecting the energy of a lightsaber back into itself, causing it to momentarily shut down.
Thanks, Galan 👆 Good to know.
Originally posted by leonidas
i think it goes to show that dane (who i feel confident saying is a FAR better sword duellist than even boba) has a chance here.
I think Whitman is overrated as f*ck, honestly 😉
But yeah, hard to disagree here --- fencing has never been Boba's or Jango's thing, who are more known for their general skill level and versatility rather than their blades mastery.
Originally posted by leonidas
not that that's what i'm looking for here. still, interesting.
It's the closest thing I could think of.
There are weapons that can stand up to lightsabers in combat, but I can't think of anything that has or could actually cut through those energy blades.
That's just not how Star Wars works.
Making it short-circuit, damaging the hilt or submerging it in water* are the ways to disable the lightsaber.
*And even then, there was Kit Fisto, whose custom lightsaber worked underwater just fine.
Originally posted by leonidasVizsla was really skilled for a non-Force user. But either way, you could get pretty crazy with the scaling.
just rewatched the clone wars s05e15 where viszla and maul had a truly epic (considered one of the great duels in star wars canon) battle. viszla, a mandalorian, was a very gifted warrior but not, imo, better than marvel's top guys. i think that fight goes to show a very skilled warrior can match jedi in straight swordplay. vader >maul, but with a blade i'd say dane>viszla so.... shrugbtw, the darksaber is awesome lol
For example- as of TCW S07, Ahsoka was already in Maul's tier... And 15 years later(during Rebels), Ahsoka was stated to be "vastly more skilled" than she was during TCW... Yet Vader still beat her decisively in Rebels.
IOW, Vader > Rebels Ahsoka >> TCWS07 Ahsoka ~ TCWS07 Maul(and this was arguably Maul's peak as a swordsman.)
Or like others have mentioned: there's also the Vader/Kenobi/Maul scaling to consider.
For instance, Kenobi himself admitted on multiple occasions that he had NO chance of defeating Vader during ANH:
Now he takes control, the blows coming faster and harder. I'm forced to duck, his lightsaber tracing a gleaming line down the metal wall.
[...]
Our lightsabers clash. I try to push forward, only to be thrust violently back. It's like striking iron. There's no give in Vader's arms, and far too much in mine.
[...]
Vader gains ground. I block and parry, attack and retreat. Vader is too strong.
[...]
My resources are depleted, my body screaming with pain. I have no hope of winning this fight.
[...]
Luke's cry echoes across the landing bay. There he is, watching us fight, the open hatch of the freighter behind him. He knows full well that I cannot win.-From a Certain POV
So based on that we could also say: Vader >> ANH Kenobi >> Rebels Maul.
Vader is... Ridiculously skilled. But like I said earlier, I still don't know how his skill would compare to the upper-end swordsmen from mainstream Marvel. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
that is....an impressive find stilt. 👆i think it goes to show that dane (who i feel confident saying is a FAR better sword duellist than even boba) has a chance here. and like i said, ebony blade v lightsaber would be cool. i wonder if the ebony blade could actually cut the saber blade? anyone know if a saber's light blade has ever been cut? we know magic can act as a threat to jedi (see maul's witch mom and sidious) so there is at least some precedence. i find this match up interesting for all kinds of reasons. lol
I say it could cut the lighsaber blade.
At the end of the day, it's just an energy loop, right? And the Blade has cut through that plenty of times.
