Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Let's look at Doomsday Clock #12:
https://i2.wp.com/thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/doomsday-clock-12-2.jpg?resize=1040%2C1600
"No matter how many times Superman's existence is attacked, he will survive".Seems like an open and shut case. Especially with stuff like tanking Omega Beams as well at the Time Trapper, Mxy and even his own Death failing to erase him from existence.
Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Let's look at Doomsday Clock #12:
https://i2.wp.com/thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/doomsday-clock-12-2.jpg?resize=1040%2C1600
"No matter how many times Superman's existence is attacked, he will survive".Seems like an open and shut case. Especially with stuff like tanking Omega Beams as well at the Time Trapper, Mxy and even his own Death failing to erase him from existence.
The problem with with that logic is that in the DC Universe, Superman is essential. So yes, in the DCU Superman reigns supreme, but in the Marvel U the Gems would work fine on him. It just depends on which Universe this takes place in. Logically speaking, there is no reason that a powerful time traveller couldn't go back in history and destroy Krypton a few thousand years before Superman was ever born.
Originally posted by Stoic
The problem with with that logic is that in the DC Universe, Superman is essential. So yes, in the DCU Superman reigns supreme, but in the Marvel U the Gems would work fine on him. It just depends on which Universe this takes place in. Logically speaking, there is no reason that a powerful time traveller couldn't go back in history and destroy Krypton a few thousand years before Superman was ever born.
Originally posted by Galan007
Superman cannot be permanently erased because he is the very literal linchpin of the metaverse -- its "greatest antibody." The whole of creation begins with, and forms entirely around, him at its center. So if Superman were 'killed' in the flesh, the metaverse would automatically reboot/reset, and he would be reborn again. He is an absolute constant.That being said, the only way to "erase Superman from existence completely" is if one can alter the fundamental nature of the metaverse/company itself on a fully metafictional level. A feat like that is beyond the power of the IG, imo... You'd have to get into the realm of full-wank Mxy to even have a shot(and even then I'd still have my doubts.)
Originally posted by GenghisJuan👆
Let's look at Doomsday Clock #12:
https://i2.wp.com/thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/doomsday-clock-12-2.jpg?resize=1040%2C1600
"No matter how many times Superman's existence is attacked, he will survive".Seems like an open and shut case. Especially with stuff like tanking Omega Beams as well at the Time Trapper, Mxy and even his own Death failing to erase him from existence.
there basically cannot be a "dc" without superman at its center. so even if superman was killed or his timeline was altered, the multiverse would just revamp itself to reorient back around him. this is the essence of superman- he will always exist.
https://postimg.cc/NyXWHz4m
https://postimg.cc/TL8tv2nW
"it begins with a child. the metaverse forms around this one and only son".
Originally posted by xJLxKing
That’s not fair
You’re allowing one rule to apply to one but not the other
In DC, the gems wouldn’t work. We don’t use that as an excuse.
It isn't an excuse the planet Krypton could be destroyed a million years before Superman ever comes into existence, Superman himself could have his age dialed back to an infant and be raised by Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet.
The problem here is due to plot, which is what you fail to acknowledge. In a forum setting the Abstract entity know as Plot is far weaker, if not altogether impotent due to neutrality clauses. Superman can't directly draw upon the strength of his native reality to protect him, while the Infinity Gauntlet would be seen to fully work while in this particular neutral space like the Flash's speed would continue to work as well. Hence, Superman isn't protected by his realities clauses that state that he is essential within these borders.
Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Let's look at Doomsday Clock #12:
https://i2.wp.com/thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/doomsday-clock-12-2.jpg?resize=1040%2C1600
"No matter how many times Superman's existence is attacked, he will survive".Seems like an open and shut case. Especially with stuff like tanking Omega Beams as well at the Time Trapper, Mxy and even his own Death failing to erase him from existence.
What a great scan.
Thank you 👆
Originally posted by Stoic
It isn't an excuse the planet Krypton could be destroyed a million years before Superman ever comes into existence, Superman himself could have his age dialed back to an infant and be raised by Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet.The problem here is due to plot, which is what you fail to acknowledge. In a forum setting the Abstract entity know as Plot is far weaker, if not altogether impotent due to neutrality clauses. Superman can't directly draw upon the strength of his native reality to protect him, while the Infinity Gauntlet would be seen to fully work while in this particular neutral space like the Flash's speed would continue to work as well. Hence, Superman isn't protected by his realities clauses that state that he is essential within these borders.
Thawne already proved that you can go back in time and control Superman's entire history. Even made Clark part of his Justice League:
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilLol, It was a universe of Dark Multiverse.
It's the Flashpoint Universe. you idiot. 🤦 Why are you super stans so retarded
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Wait, So youre saying its canon despite it being non-canon 😐 ?
At the conclusion of that arc, all of DC's Multiversal history, even Elseworld's is recognized as canon. Even everything from Golden age. All of it is remembered and all of it is officially part of the Omniverse. You're a COMPLETE dumbass 😂
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilAll history in continuity is canon, That isnt including alternate universes/Timelines etc
At the conclusion of that arc, all of DC's Multiversal history, even Elseworld's is recognized as canon. Even everything from Golden age. All of it is remembered and all of it is officially part of the Omniverse. You're a COMPLETE dumbass 😂
No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.
