It took Supes, Barry, AND Wally to take down Darkseid & Black Racer in Rebirth iirc, and if you’re talking Nathaniel Adam, he’s held his own against Wally without the Monarch amp. I don’t see how Flash can possibly take down both of them on his own for majority. It’s not like they don’t have their own insane speed feats
This is the forums though where powers matter. How is Darkseid fast enough to touch Flash and what's both of their counter to speed steal. I get it, in comics, Darkseid would win but this is the forum. We don't look at comics as an indication of who would win what, we go by people not ignoring their powerset. Batman is an example of this, in comics, he can tank punches from Wonder Woman, move faster than Flash, dodge attacks from a blitzing Superman, would that apply on the forum?
Originally posted by carver9
Is Monarch a Flash level speedster?
Can’t Monarch time jump? In addition to a plethora of other exotic powers, the combination of which Flash cannot (and has not) been able to effectively ever counter or put down at once? Particularly with Omega Beams also coming at him? No matter what, the team has too much at their disposal to allow Wally to take down one of them while he’s occupied with the other.
How would Wally do it?
Bell rings, ding, both Monarch and Darkseid are statues. A second is years to Flash. The versatility that both Darkseid and Monarch have is useless to a guy that would see them as statues. Flash then proceeds at stealing their speeds to solidify his win. Then he either leaves both there as statues or punch them a trillion times in less than a second with neutron star level punches. Neither of these beings have displayed the durability to withstand 10 let alone trillions of those punches and all of this happens before they blink.
Monarch is energy though. He can turn intangible. So durability is moot. And maybe he’s not quite as fast as Wally, but he wouldn’t be statue-slow to him. He’s traveled FTL himself. And since when can Flash do all of that stuff at once? Doesn’t the “infinite mass punch” and the “speed steal” prevent him from actually utilizing his power for simply speeding around? Lol when has he done anything like this?
He use super speed and speed steal here at the same time...
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I'm sure you don't need scans of his infinite mass punches or him throwing fast punches, right?
Flash will not forget that he have speed, speed steal, etc... he isn't dumb.
