Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Im going to say Captain Marvel. No real reason as I dont know what any of them did back then
Captain Marvel stomps. He started out at a much higher level than Supes or Namor. The reason why Superman's powers were increased in the 40s was to compete with whiz comics that was selling near a million copies an issue or above. By 42 GA Supes was virtually SA level as a result.
Originally posted by beatboks
Captain Marvel stomps. He started out at a much higher level than Supes or Namor. The reason why Superman's powers were increased in the 40s was to compete with whiz comics that was selling near a million copies an issue or above. By 42 GA Supes was virtually SA level as a result.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, Captain Marvel did not originate at much higher power level.
Oh please, 1938 superman was literally as powerful as the tag lines at peak.
Faster than a speeding bullet (sonic fast not light speed)
More powerful than a locomotive (strong enough to push against a train engine to stop it, though normally he lifted cars etc)
Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. (He couldn't fly only leap like Hulk).
He was bullet proof but a busting shell could hurt him.
In action comics 1 supes lifted a car, runs to match a cars speed and leapt over it. He leapt up a building and then ran on telegraph wires. In action comics 2 he is pushed overboard by thigs and swims to catch the and pass the steamer. He runs ALMOST faster than the eye can follow (but is seen doing it)
The thread specifies 1938 Superman and in 38 he wasn't as powerful as captain Marvel was on debut.
By issue 3 of Whiz Comics Capt Marvel was casually hurling tanks thru the air, he could fly from day dot, and he could fly across country. In issue 5 he flew from one city to another whiping out a national crime ring.
Superman's power level after Capt Marvel debuted and was outselling him soon increased to compensate and by mid 1940 Supes could lift ocean liners, and fly at light speed and had nothing to fear from a busting shell, by 42 he was full SA ridiculous levels.
Superman on the same year as Capt Marvel is more powerful but that isn't what the OP is asking now is it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Beatboks remembers 1940 vividly as if it were yesterday and he was once more a sprightly young lad of 15.
C'mon DS, I'm not That freakin old.
I did buy a lot of old comics as a kid because my only access to comics back then was a book exchange that sold a lot of second hand books and comics. So I started out reading comics a lot older than me. That and my dad's phantom comics. Down under the Phantom was THE most popular comic by far (m nold man and all his friends were into it, and there wasn't a single newspaper in the country that didn't include a Phantom comic strip)so on any given week you would see at least 8 to 10 available issues available to buy in any newsagent
Originally posted by beatboks
Oh please, 1938 superman was literally as powerful as the tag lines at peak.
Uh-huh.
Faster than a speeding bullet (sonic fast not light speed)
More powerful than a locomotive (strong enough to push against a train engine to stop it, though normally he lifted cars etc)
Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. (He couldn't fly only leap like Hulk).
He was bullet proof but a busting shell could hurt him.
By Action Comics 5 (Oct 1938), Superman was running as fast as light and destroying mountain peaks.
In action comics 1 supes lifted a car, runs to match a cars speed and leapt over it. He leapt up a building and then ran on telegraph wires. In action comics 2 he is pushed overboard by thigs and swims to catch the and pass the steamer. He runs ALMOST faster than the eye can follow (but is seen doing it)
Funny how you are citing issue 1&2 but not beyond.
The thread specifies 1938 Superman and in 38 he wasn't as powerful as captain Marvel was on debut.By issue 3 of Whiz Comics Capt Marvel was casually hurling tanks thru the air, he could fly from day dot, and he could fly across country. In issue 5 he flew from one city to another whiping out a national crime ring.
Nope, Captain Marvel did not fly from debut, he was only leaping just like Superman, he wasn't as fast as light or destroy mountains till years later.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B][b]MYTH:
Captain marvel was created with flight instead of jumping, so he isn't a complete superman rip-off.
Just like the original Superman who inspired him:Whiz Comics #2 (Millenium print)
_WC #3
WC #4
There was no usage of the word "fly" during his early years. Instead, "leap" was the ability used.
For those who don't know, cap started flying in Whiz comics 5. [/B]
Superman's power level after Capt Marvel debuted and was outselling him soon increased to compensate and by mid 1940 Supes could lift ocean liners, and fly at light speed and had nothing to fear from a busting shell, by 42 he was full SA ridiculous levels.Superman on the same year as Capt Marvel is more powerful but that isn't what the OP is asking now is it. [/B]
Nope.
Here's a chronology of Captain Marvel's feats in strength.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jeff_Harrisons/comments/7zup1e/respect_captain_marvel_earth_s/
Punches through a steel door as if it were cardboard - WHIZ #9Smashes through yards of solid granite - WHIZ #14
Gives and receives blows strong enough to crush elephants - CMA #1
Strikes with the force of ten locomotives - CMA #2
Hits with the impact of a speeding train and could easily smash an army truck, then hits him with a punch that even the strongest structure in the universe would shake under the impact - CMA #3
Battle with Itzalotahui makes the island they're on tremble and rock - WHIZ #22
Spits in rivets - CMA #4
Bores through miles of stone in seconds - CMA #4
Hits send Levram, his evil mirror image equal in strength, flying - CMA #23
Slams through doors designed to be immune to tanks and battleships - CMA #26
And for Speed.
Catches torpedoes with the speed of light - WHIZ #10Blitzes a robot - CMA #1
Catches a fired shell and throws it back - CMA #3
Has a battle too fierce and swift for the eye to follow - CMA #3
Intercepts a bullet - AGC #1
Disappears from the perspective of normal humans - AGC #2
Intercepts near point-blank shots - CMA #13
Moves fast enough to appear as if he's crawling between him own legs - CMA #23
Stops a revolver slug from hitting a girl - CMA #30
Chops up trees at FTE speeds - CMA #51
Intercepts a missed Shazam bolt - CMA #73
Quickly intercepts a thrown knife - CMA #88
Zips around the city at lightning speeds stopping electrical bombings - CMA #94
Catches flaming rocks from a volcanic eruption - CMA #95
Quickly constructs two highways - CMA #106
Much faster than lightning - CMA #142
So he is lightspeed by Whiz Comics 10 and punches with strength of a running train by Captain Marvel Adventures 3. Yet somehow he is more powerful than Superman who exceeded such feats by Action Comics 5.
Right!!
So captain Marvel could only jump, sure he could. That's why in issue 5 of Whiz comics (his 4th appearance) when he takes to the sky he is leaving for another city.
So 38 Superman cab leap a building white 40 Cap can leap part of a continent I guess.
power progression was faster given Supes had 8 appearances by issue 5 of action (Superman 1,2 and 3 were before action 5)
Originally posted by beatboks
Right!!So captain Marvel could only jump, sure he could. That's why in issue 5 of Whiz comics (his 4th appearance) when he takes to the sky he is leaving for another city.
So 38 Superman cab leap a building white 40 Cap can leap part of a continent I guess.
power progression was faster given Supes had 8 appearances by issue 5 of action (Superman 1,2 and 3 were before action 5)
Originally posted by beatboks
Same issue next page he did Chicago and CaliforniaThat image of a plane flying alongside him isn't a representation of him flying now is it
Originally posted by beatboks
These are from Whiz comics 7Zooming thru the air
And floating in it while a plane approaches and crashes into him aren't flying at all.
Yet Supes didn't fly until 1941 compared to July and Augusta 40 for cap.
Who moved anything Abhi. I showed him flying on his 44th page in print
Whiz comics 2 had 13 pages of capt marvel
Whiz comics 3 an 11 page story
12 pages in Whiz comics 4
In whiz 5 he's crossing the country by taking to the air in page 8.
Is 44 pages of printed comics not near the start? Theres such a thing as knowing what powers you have and how to use them before you use them.
Conversely we have Superman still not flying in Superman #4 (that was his next appearance after action 8) by which he had had 8 12 page stories in Action comics and 4 30 odd page Superman books that only around 1to 2 pages weren't him. Isn't it interesting in said issue 4 that when challenged by Luther to tests of his physicals his speed was enough to beat Luther auto-gyros in a race but they were always close behind. Those propeller driven craft of Luthor's must have been near light speed hunh?
Originally posted by beatboks
Who moved anything Abhi. I showed him flying on his 44th page in printWhiz comics 2 had 13 pages of capt marvel
Whiz comics 3 an 11 page story
12 pages in Whiz comics 4In whiz 5 he's crossing the country by taking to the air in page 8.
Is 44 pages of printed comics not near the start? Theres such a thing as knowing what powers you have and how to use them before you use them.
Conversely we have Superman still not flying in Superman #4 (that was his next appearance after action 8) by which he had had 8 12 page stories in Action comics and 4 30 odd page Superman books that only around 1to 2 pages weren't him. Isn't it interesting in said issue 4 that when challenged by Luther to tests of his physicals his speed was enough to beat Luther auto-gyros in a race but they were always close behind. Those propeller driven craft of Luthor's must have been near light speed hunh?