Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then...what, CIS? Blade has BT but decides to leave him behind?[/b]
Because we have DECADES of Blade comics to fall back on. We don't with Blade and BT.[/b]
I posted every scan we have of Blade in the KiB storyline. Adverts are the weak point here.[/b]
Actually, that issue isn't. It does not have the War of the Realms on the front (like issues 18-20 did).Blade did not use BT during issues 18-20, the War of the Realms event itself. Issue #21 is explciitly the day AFTER the War of the Realms.
War of the Realms: Strikeforce, a Blade heavy War of the REalms tie-in - doesn't have BT:
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I'm not saying he doesn't use X, so its not standard. I am saying he doesn't even bring him along.[/b]
Yes, when he left he carried him - he carried the entirety of his worldly possessions. BECAUSE HE WAS LEAVING. That doesn't mean = standard equipment. If YOU, say, are moving house, and bring ALL of your worldly possessions with you - that doesn't mean on a n average day, you have all of that kit on you, does it?[/b]
Yes, because we have DECADES of comics to fall back on. The average will weigh heavily in favour of grenades.[/b]
And War of the Realms (issue18-20?) where is he? And where does it state that it was Blade's decision to have him watching Starbrand?They're not THAT bonded, you're making him out as if its a symbiote, when it's more akin to Batman and Jarro.
False point on the decision making, btw. The best displays of this bond - when they fought Surfer/Glads/Firelord (really, the only time they've actually fought together like this) it was BT's decision, not Blade's. [/B]
Jarro doesn't merg like BT so yes more like a symbiote.
in the 70s is when batman really starting becoming the batman we know and recognize, but he was nowhere close to the level he's become. he was still 'mostly' just a peak human. neal adams did some truly awesome work with the character for a while. i think he became the "dark knight" in the early 70s sometime.
Originally posted by leonidas
in the 70s is when batman really starting becoming the batman we know and recognize, but he was nowhere close to the level he's become. he was still 'mostly' just a peak human. neal adams did some truly awesome work with the character for a while. i think he became the "dark knight" in the early 70s sometime.
Oh LAWD.
I just had a quick check.
IT IS ALL CANON NOW.
Batman, at 10 years old, explicitly without any training, takes on a giant trained grizzly bear and beats it.........
Action Comics #465
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Then...what, CIS? Blade has BT but decides to leave him behind?
Because we have DECADES of Blade comics to fall back on. We don't with Blade and BT.
I posted every scan we have of Blade in the KiB storyline. Adverts are the weak point here.
Actually, that issue isn't. It does not have the War of the Realms on the front (like issues 18-20 did).
Blade did not use BT during issues 18-20, the War of the Realms event itself. Issue #21 is explciitly the day AFTER the War of the Realms.
War of the Realms: Strikeforce, a Blade heavy War of the REalms tie-in - doesn't have BT:
I'm not saying he doesn't use X, so its not standard. I am saying he doesn't even bring him along.
Yes, when he left he carried him - he carried the entirety of his worldly possessions. BECAUSE HE WAS LEAVING. That doesn't mean = standard equipment. If YOU, say, are moving house, and bring ALL of your worldly possessions with you - that doesn't mean on a n average day, you have all of that kit on you, does it?
Yes, because we have DECADES of comics to fall back on. The average will weigh heavily in favour of grenades.
And War of the Realms (issue18-20?) where is he? And where does it state that it was Blade's decision to have him watching Starbrand?
They're not THAT bonded, you're making him out as if its a symbiote, when it's more akin to Batman and Jarro.
False point on the decision making, btw. The best displays of this bond - when they fought Surfer/Glads/Firelord (really, the only time they've actually fought together like this) it was BT's decision, not Blade's. [/B]
Yea this is a level of willful ignorance. Is it CIS when Blade decides not to use his guns? When he decides to not use his glaives? No, Blade is a character with variable gear. Standard Equipment is meant to give us a guide on what the character would happen on a standard outing. We've seen that on Blade's independent outings and when he's on stand-by he has boy-thing.
You're also betraying a level of bias here. We have decades of Blade comics and in the majority he does not use guns. In the past few years, Blae has used boy-thing *more* than he has used guns. However he has been shown using them consistently enough for us to consider them a part of his standard gear. The same applies to boy-thing.
You also keep pulling different issues from the same exact span of time. That is not another story you found, the comic you just pulled is literally a magical illusion in Blade's mind that occurred at Avengers mansion.
You also aren't at all being consistent. You said you were bringing up story arcs and then shifted your goalposts. Is the epilogue of a story not a part of the story? When the characters are literally actively still covered in blood from the story in question, how is that not actively a part of that story? Moreover, how do you think Boy-Thing got the Frost Giant blood on him that Blade is licking off? This issue shows how Blade was using boy-thing to travel on his missions during War of the Realms.
The "doesn't bring him along" argument is also ridiculous. During the story he has boy-thing, through the entire first conflict he has boy-thing, and eventually he decides to set boy-thing aside after he is wounded. That is not an example of someone just leaving something behind. If batman could somehow wound boy-thing before a fight began, then maybe Blade would decide not to bring him. On a standard patrol, we've seen Blade brings boy-thing and on select missions he might decide against it.
re: whether it was boy-thing or blade's decision doesn't matter. that's irrelevant when we're discussing symbiotic characters. for the vast majority of boy-things appearances he's been displayed a symbiotic character. he's introduced as a part of the shadow colonel's arsenal. if we were to have a "shadow colonel vs." thread, no one would argue that boy-thing isn't considered a part of the character because there's a clear symbiotic connection. Your argument is that Blade doesn't use him enough for it to be considered symbiotic, but the idea that boy-thing doesn't count as a symbiotic character is ridiculous and isn't going to be entertained anymore.
It's the same with the King in Black point. It's silly. You cannot argue that he inexplicably isn't making use of boy-thing during an on-going storyline when we have very clear evidence in a story focusing on Blade's adventures during King in Black depict him with boy-thing.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What's interesting is that even though Blade is already meta-level in stats people are arguing he needs an additional buff just to contend with standard Batman.
has nothing to do with need. would've been happy to have this fight if it was stated that Blade didn't have standard gear, or only had swords/guns and whatever that might be. the fight is stated to be standard gear though. the idea that this needs to be a discussion when blade has had boy-thing for 2 years now is foolish.
Originally posted by Trackz
Yea this is a level of willful ignorance. Is it CIS when Blade decides not to use his guns? When he decides to not use his glaives? No, Blade is a character with variable gear. Standard Equipment is meant to give us a guide on what the character would happen on a standard outing. We've seen that on Blade's independent outings and when he's on stand-by he has boy-thing.You're also betraying a level of bias here. We have decades of Blade comics and in the majority he does not use guns. In the past few years, Blae has used boy-thing *more* than he has used guns. However he has been shown using them consistently enough for us to consider them a part of his standard gear. The same applies to boy-thing.
You also keep pulling different issues from the same exact span of time. That is not another story you found, the comic you just pulled is literally a magical illusion in Blade's mind that occurred at Avengers mansion.
You also aren't at all being consistent. You said you were bringing up story arcs and then shifted your goalposts. Is the epilogue of a story not a part of the story? When the characters are literally actively still covered in blood from the story in question, how is that not actively a part of that story? Moreover, how do you think Boy-Thing got the Frost Giant blood on him that Blade is licking off? This issue shows how Blade was using boy-thing to travel on his missions during War of the Realms.
The "doesn't bring him along" argument is also ridiculous. During the story he has boy-thing, through the entire first conflict he has boy-thing, and eventually he decides to set boy-thing aside after he is wounded. That is not an example of someone just leaving something behind. If batman could somehow wound boy-thing before a fight began, then maybe Blade would decide not to bring him. On a standard patrol, we've seen Blade brings boy-thing and on select missions he might decide against it.
re: whether it was boy-thing or blade's decision doesn't matter. that's irrelevant when we're discussing symbiotic characters. for the vast majority of boy-things appearances he's been displayed a symbiotic character. he's introduced as a part of the shadow colonel's arsenal. if we were to have a "shadow colonel vs." thread, no one would argue that boy-thing isn't considered a part of the character because there's a clear symbiotic connection. Your argument is that Blade doesn't use him enough for it to be considered symbiotic, but the idea that boy-thing doesn't count as a symbiotic character is ridiculous and isn't going to be entertained anymore.
It's the same with the King in Black point. It's silly. You cannot argue that he inexplicably isn't making use of boy-thing during an on-going storyline when we have very clear evidence in a story focusing on Blade's adventures during King in Black depict him with boy-thing.
Well if you also want to disregard Blade's guns, be my guest. I am 100% in favour of being consistent and striking them out, lol.
The pulling of different issues was because you said in tie-ins, Blade was depicted with BT. I was showing actually, this was NOT the case in War of the Realms.
The epilogue is not part of the War, no.
Avengers #18 cover:
#19:
#20:
https://i.postimg.cc/L4b23FqN/RCO001-1561566979.jpg
(seeing a pattern?)
#21, the scan which has the only time BT is shown:
Inside #21:
So DURING War of the Realms, BT wasn't even seen.
I then looked at the actual War of the Realms book. Perhaps we see Blade using BT to travel around.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And here is every appearance of Blade in the War of the Realms book proper:No BT.
You are also being misleading (again). Blade isn't licking Frost Giant blood off BT - he's telling Jen he can practically taste the blood in the air, there is so much of it:
But let's reverse it. Post ALL the times Blade uses BT in battle. Every single time.
We have his feat against Surfer/Glads and Firelord (which was all in....1?2? issues). We have the scene which you misremembered as Blade licking BT (lol). Anything else? 5-6 pages, or 2-3 issues out of 2 years' worth of comics isn't saying much. I've shown Blade having a fair few appearances in the past two years, should be easy for you to post some more instances of him fighting with BT.....
And please don't use a future comic. We have specific rules against that:
While previews aren't necessarily spoilers in and of themselves, they lack a sense of context that only the full comic can usually provide. That's why, from this point on, Previews WILL NOT be admissable as evidence. You want to use the feat? You can once the comic comes out.
I have already posted all the showings of Blade SO FAR in KiB - no BT.
Finally found it - but couldn't edit in time....
Having BT in this thread is like me arguing that Batmite is in the thread lol.
He's always watching over Bats. His guardian angel.
But that's a stupid argument, and one that I am not arguing - because it's, well, stupid.
But feel free to showcase all the times Blade brings BT into a fight and uses him. Obviously not THAT symbiotic, seeing as all of the scans I've been posting have Blade and BT apart....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well if you also want to disregard Blade's guns, be my guest. I am 100% in favour of being consistent and striking them out, lol.The pulling of different issues was because you said in tie-ins, Blade was depicted with BT. I was showing actually, this was NOT the case in War of the Realms.
The epilogue is not part of the War, no.
Avengers #18 cover:
#19:
#20:
https://i.postimg.cc/L4b23FqN/RCO001-1561566979.jpg(seeing a pattern?)
#21, the scan which has the only time BT is shown:
Inside #21:
So DURING War of the Realms, BT wasn't even seen.
I then looked at the actual War of the Realms book. Perhaps we see Blade using BT to travel around.
You are also being misleading (again). Blade isn't licking Frost Giant blood off BT - he's telling Jen he can practically taste the blood in the air, there is so much of it:
But let's reverse it. Post ALL the times Blade uses BT in battle. Every single time.
We have his feat against Surfer/Glads and Firelord (which was all in....1?2? issues). We have the scene which you misremembered as Blade licking BT (lol). Anything else? 5-6 pages, or 2-3 issues out of 2 years' worth of comics isn't saying much. I've shown Blade having a fair few appearances in the past two years, should be easy for you to post some more instances of him fighting with BT.....
And please don't use a future comic. We have specific rules against that:
I have already posted all the showings of Blade SO FAR in KiB - no BT.
The key point isn't that you're being consistent, you're reinventing the definition of standard equipment for the purposes of this fight and being willfully ignorant that standard equipment often looks different for character that often have variable equipment. In each story for the last story, we either see Blade with boy-thing or are given an explanation for why Blade intentionally didn't bring boy-thing with the exception of the Khonshu arc.
You yourself have argued that some of the abilities Blade has displayed came about from boy-things own willingness to protect him evidencing a symbiotic relationship. But more counter evidence to the position is that Blade uses boy-thing to fly from the tower after war of the realms. If you acknowledge that Blade has no inherent knowledge of Boy-thing's abilities and we never saw the Shadow Colonel do such a thing, that he learned this from....making use of this ability at some point prior to this. Given that
Google what an epilogue is.
Just stop this.
The issue is literally featured in Marvel's official collection of War of the Realms: Avengers
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I'm not being misleading. You can see the scan clearly. He says he can taste the blood as he licks Boy-Thing. Did you post the scan and then...just ignore the image? So here's what you have to account for:
1. How does boy-thing, how has Blade learned to use boy-thing for travel?
2. How does boy-thing have frost giant blood on him?
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Go bring the mod in re: the preview. Again, you cannot make the point that a character is absent from an event in your argument and then dismiss preview that said character is actually in the event. The preview is not being used as evidence of a feat, but that it is foolish to make conclusive statements about an on-going event. It's plainly demonstrates your "absence of evidence" fallacy.
You're also redefining what standard equipment is. Standard equipment has nothing to do with standard USE, it has to do with what can normally expected to be on the character at the time of conflict.
We've seen when Blade prepares to go on solo mission, boy-thing has been with him every time:
1. when moving into the avengers mansion
2. when moving out of avengers mansion
3. when traveling from the tower for his solo missions
we've seen there are explicit times when he will decide against using boy-thing (after boy-thing has been injured or if he is needed elsewhere).
the batmite argument is stupid, because batmite hasn't been relevant to batman for the last two years of his appearances.
So arguments of yours that have been dismissed:
1. Blade didn't not use Boy-thing in War of Realms?
False. We see Blade licking frost giant blood from boy-thing in issue #21, and we see that he has been using boy-thing to travel on his solo missions.
2. Blade didn't use boy-thing in King in Black?
False. This is an on-going event and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Given the fact that we have plain context that advertises said character in the event, this is a dishonest position. Even on its face it would be foolish as the event has not concluded, it's especially ridiculous in context of clear evidence of the contrary.
3. Blade hasn't used Boy-thing in the majority of his missions?
Now we know this is false. We know he's used in king in black, but if we suspend that as an on-going event, boy-thing has been used in:
1. Vampire War
2. War of the Realms
3. Race of the Ghost Riders
4. Star-Brand reborn
The khonshu arc (where he is a periphery character) is the only arc in which it isn't explained why boy-thing isn't around. The phoenix arc explicitly states that they had boy-thing watch the starbrand.
So four major arcs over 2 years in addition the present arc where they have to explicitly state why Blade isn't with boy-thing. AKA it is narratively important to explain when Blade and boy-thing aren't connected.
If you can demonstrate batmite has been consistently characterized as being bonded to batman for a period of 2 years as evidenced by repeated appearances with said character, then yea he would be standard gear.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Now no fight of Batman can be used anymore because Batmite was watching him and he's not in Batman threads since he's an entirely different character 👆
Finally found it - but couldn't edit in time....Having BT in this thread is like me arguing that Batmite is in the thread lol.
He's [b]always
watching over Bats. His guardian angel.But that's a stupid argument, and one that I am not arguing - because it's, well, stupid.
But feel free to showcase all the times Blade brings BT into a fight and uses him. Obviously not THAT symbiotic, seeing as all of the scans I've been posting have Blade and BT apart.... [/B]
Originally posted by Trackz
The key point isn't that you're being consistent, you're reinventing the definition of standard equipment for the purposes of this fight and being willfully ignorant that standard equipment often looks different for character that often have variable equipment. In each story for the last story, we either see Blade with boy-thing or are given an explanation for why Blade intentionally didn't bring boy-thing with the exception of the Khonshu arc.You yourself have argued that some of the abilities Blade has displayed came about from boy-things own willingness to protect him evidencing a symbiotic relationship. But more counter evidence to the position is that Blade uses boy-thing to fly from the tower after war of the realms. If you acknowledge that Blade has no inherent knowledge of Boy-thing's abilities and we never saw the Shadow Colonel do such a thing, that he learned this from....making use of this ability at some point prior to this. Given that
Google what an epilogue is.
Just stop this.
The issue is literally featured in Marvel's official collection of War of the Realms: Avengers
__
I'm not being misleading. You can see the scan clearly. He says he can taste the blood as he licks Boy-Thing. Did you post the scan and then...just ignore the image? So here's what you have to account for:
1. How does boy-thing, how has Blade learned to use boy-thing for travel?
2. How does boy-thing have frost giant blood on him?
_
Go bring the mod in re: the preview. Again, you cannot make the point that a character is absent from an event in your argument and then dismiss preview that said character is actually in the event. The preview is not being used as evidence of a feat, but that it is foolish to make conclusive statements about an on-going event. It's plainly demonstrates your "absence of evidence" fallacy.
You're also redefining what standard equipment is. Standard equipment has nothing to do with standard USE, it has to do with what can normally expected to be on the character at the time of conflict.
We've seen when Blade prepares to go on solo mission, boy-thing has been with him every time:
1. when moving into the avengers mansion2. when moving out of avengers mansion
3. when traveling from the tower for his solo missions
we've seen there are explicit times when he will decide against using boy-thing (after boy-thing has been injured or if he is needed elsewhere).
the batmite argument is stupid, because batmite hasn't been relevant to batman for the last two years of his appearances.
So arguments of yours that have been dismissed:
1. Blade didn't not use Boy-thing in War of Realms?
False. We see Blade licking frost giant blood from boy-thing in issue #21, and we see that he has been using boy-thing to travel on his solo missions.
2. Blade didn't use boy-thing in King in Black?
False. This is an on-going event and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Given the fact that we have plain context that advertises said character in the event, this is a dishonest position. Even on its face it would be foolish as the event has not concluded, it's especially ridiculous in context of clear evidence of the contrary.
3. Blade hasn't used Boy-thing in the majority of his missions?
Now we know this is false. We know he's used in king in black, but if we suspend that as an on-going event, boy-thing has been used in:
1. Vampire War
2. War of the Realms
3. Race of the Ghost Riders
4. Star-Brand reborn
The khonshu arc (where he is a periphery character) is the only arc in which it isn't explained why boy-thing isn't around. The phoenix arc explicitly states that they had boy-thing watch the starbrand.
So four major arcs over 2 years in addition the present arc where they have to explicitly state why Blade isn't with boy-thing. AKA it is narratively important to explain when Blade and boy-thing aren't connected.
If you can demonstrate batmite has been consistently characterized as being bonded to batman for a period of 2 years as evidenced by repeated appearances with said character, then yea he would be standard gear.
That's a lot of words, and zero scans, to tell me you have none.
