Originally posted by Galan007
There were, what? 10,000 of Sauron's minions at Helms Deep?Even though most/all of them would be fodder(relative to Vader), that's still a LOT of fodder to deal with.
Although, if he's alone, I can see him getting distracted...
He has a lot of tools at his disposal here. With Legends and Canon feats he can mind control some of them and turn them on their own comrades and confusing the ranks, on top of his own monstrous TK which will atomize them on contact. Coupled with his barrier which can deflect anything they throw at him, and his lightsaber which they’ve never seen anything like it before he’s going to curb them. Not to mention the psychological impact of seeing someone who looks like armored Sauron destroying whole ranks and raining debris and buildings on them
Originally posted by cdtm
What if Darth Vader replaced the defenders at Helms Deep.How far would he get before being overwhelmed?
All feats valid, including Legacy.
First things first, my insane friend.
You want us to use Movie Helm's Deep or the one from the books?
The one from the books had much less action, but the army storming the Rohirrim was more diverse than the one shown in the movie (which was composed only of Uruk-hai).
Originally posted by Galan007
There were, what? 10,000 of Sauron's minions at Helms Deep?
Saruman's. Not Sauron's.
At least 10,000, according to Aragorn. And Saruman says he'd need tens of thousands troops in order to beat Theoden at Helm's Deep, when replying to Grima.
Uruk-hai, specifically. Bred and "invented" by Saruman, different from Black Uruks from Mordor.
But in books, they also had Wargs, Dunlendings and perhaps normal orcs as well... and Tolkien barely bothered to describe the battle.
Original source fanboys will disagree, but it's a simple truth that Peter Jackson was vastly superior in some areas than Tolkien.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Yeah, if Vader starts off atop the wall, and watches the army slowly march in from afar, it's a different story.
He'd at least be able to 1shot those Uruk Hai from blowing the wall up. So will at least have the safety of the walls.Although, if he's alone, I can see him getting distracted...
In that case he could destroy their ladder tech, trebuchets, and bombardiers before they ever got close enough to attack, and solo droves of the army before they ever reached him(TK aside, just imagine what saber throws could do to the army.)
tl;dr
Vader could win in that scenario, as he would finally have the high ground. 👆
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But in books, they also had Wargs, Dunlendings and perhaps normal orcs as well... and Tolkien barely bothered to describe the battle.Original source fanboys will disagree, but it's a simple truth that Peter Jackson was vastly superior in some areas than Tolkien.
Too true. God bless Tolkien but he often spent way too much time describing trivial things and glossed over important ones.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
First things first, my insane friend.You want us to use Movie Helm's Deep or the one from the books?
The one from the books had much less action, but the army storming the Rohirrim was more diverse than the one shown in the movie (which was composed only of Uruk-hai).
Saruman's. Not Sauron's.
At least 10,000, according to Aragorn. And Saruman says he'd need [b]tens
of thousands troops in order to beat Theoden at Helm's Deep, when replying to Grima.Uruk-hai, specifically. Bred and "invented" by Saruman, different from Black Uruks from Mordor.
But in books, they also had Wargs, Dunlendings and perhaps normal orcs as well... and Tolkien barely bothered to describe the battle.
Original source fanboys will disagree, but it's a simple truth that Peter Jackson was vastly superior in some areas than Tolkien. [/B]
Originally posted by Galan007
trebuchets
There weren't any trebuchets.
Trebuchets aren't even mobile, Galan.
The only ones were used by Gondor in the battle of Minas Tirith in RotK.
You're thinking of ballistas... at least some of which were combined with the aforementioned ladder tech.
Saruman's Uruks did have crossbows, though. That's not a problem for Vader unless he loses his focus for one critical moment.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
First things first, my insane friend.You want us to use Movie Helm's Deep or the one from the books?
The one from the books had much less action, but the army storming the Rohirrim was more diverse than the one shown in the movie (which was composed only of Uruk-hai).
Saruman's. Not Sauron's.
At least 10,000, according to Aragorn. And Saruman says he'd need [b]tens
of thousands troops in order to beat Theoden at Helm's Deep, when replying to Grima.Uruk-hai, specifically. Bred and "invented" by Saruman, different from Black Uruks from Mordor.
But in books, they also had Wargs, Dunlendings and perhaps normal orcs as well... and Tolkien barely bothered to describe the battle.
Original source fanboys will disagree, but it's a simple truth that Peter Jackson was vastly superior in some areas than Tolkien. [/B]
does your nerd know no limits....?
Originally posted by leonidas
the books....sucked. classic, revolutionary, almost impossibly impactful, but...terrible and a pure drudge to read.
There is some truth to it, yes.
Tolkien has described mundane stuff such as singing and feasting in dozens and dozens (and dozens) of pages... while barely paying any attention to actual battles that were supposed to be the culmination of some books (Battle of Five Armies or Helm's Deep are perfect examples).
That's why I'm mainly just the movie fan.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
There weren't any trebuchets.Trebuchets aren't even mobile, Galan.
The only ones were used by Gondor in the battle of Minas Tirith in RotK.
You're thinking of ballistas... at least some of which were combined with the aforementioned ladder tech.
Saruman's Uruks did have crossbows, though. That's not a problem for Vader unless he loses his focus for one critical moment.