Bet Ray Bill vs Orion.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
System pretty much kaput before they got there.

I figured O'Ryan boomed at some point after the blast to try and avoid much of it(?).
Golem causes explosion, O'Ryan booms out at some point after getting blasted away, shockwaves/explosion propagating or propgated through, lanterns arrive, O'Ryan exits tube partially damaged is what the sequence looks like.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But only after Hal and Kyle arrrived we see Orion boom out the fight.
By your logic, Orion boomed to some random place and somehow decided to boom back to the system again, Which never gets indicated in the comics 😕 ?
And not to mention in this scan orion looks like he gets his ass kicked by the golem while he was booming out.
https://postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR
I think the more convincing sequence should be: Orion fighting the golem,Orion and the golem's fighting destroyed the system, Orion finds out the golem is too powerful for him to deal and decides to boom out, Orion booming out while getting blasted by the golem

No wut im saying is he boomed out at some point after the blast.
In the comic we see what i believe is the golem going boom and O'Ryan most likely getting blasted away. Thats based on that panel with him and golem and the panels with graf seeing it as a vision. U can see a tiny version of it through his eyes.
The next time we see O'Ryan is him tubing out violently and probably taking some of that explosion or shockwave with him.

As far as a second blast, i didnt add that in because the comic didnt indicate one or allude to one. I just went by the main panel where one seems to be shown.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No he boomed out at some point after the blast.
In the comic we see what i believe is the golem going boom and O'Ryan most likely getting blasted away. Thats based on that panel with him and golem and the panels with graf seeing it as a vision. U can see a tiny version of it through his eyes.
The next time we see O'Ryan is him tubing out violently and probably taking some of that explosion or shockwave with him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And now we will go on for ten pages where the idiot will keep repeating the same thing "periphery, O'ryan, blah, blah, blah".

The comic spelled it out that Orion and the golem destroyed the star systems with their fight and it was mostly Orion's doing. End of story.

"That was you, wasn't it?"

https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM

And yet that's false Given the context of the fight.
You can see on one panel that it’s actually Orion and the Golem in the battle. If he is actually fighting the golem then it’s would make sense that the destruction is a result of that fight. What purpose does it serve for Orion to just destroy the solar system like that? Also shockwaves are made as a result of something else. That something else being the fight

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And yet that's false Given the context of the fight.
You can see on one panel that it’s actually Orion and the Golem in the battle. If he is actually fighting the golem then it’s would make sense that the destruction is a result of that fight. What purpose does it serve for Orion to just destroy the solar system like that? Also shockwaves are made as a result of something else. That something else being the fight

What book or book's are these scans from? I'd like to read it, because what I'm seeing from the scans isn't doing much to convince me that Orion wasn't doing much more than attempting to resist a higher power than anything that he possessed.

My stance on the claim is neutral. However, what has been presented from the scans so far leads me to agree with Celey's stance. If what has been shown is the sum total of the evidence that can be presented on the claim, I find myself siding with Celey's opinion for the most part. Is there more to this than what has been presented?

Originally posted by Stoic
What book or book's are these scans from? I'd like to read it, because what I'm seeing from the scans isn't doing much to convince me that Orion wasn't doing much more than attempting to resist a higher power than anything that he possessed.

My stance on the claim is neutral. However, what has been presented from the scans so far leads me to agree with Celey's stance. If what has been shown is the sum total of the evidence that can be presented on the claim, I find myself siding with Celey's opinion for the most part. Is there more to this than what has been presented?

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hal-jordan-and-the-green-lantern-corps/chapter-26

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Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you agree Orion boomed out after Hal and Kyle arrived right? Then Orion and the golem's fight still destroyed the solar system since that solar system was already destroyed BEFORE they arrived.
And the vision I mean it still shows Orion and the golem fighting each other, Which I dont think it helps your argument tbh

Yes their fight destroyed the system. Based on what I saw in the panels, the system was primarily destroyed by the golem's attack.

As far as graf's vision, it literally looks like the golem just unleashed an attack and O'Ryan is in the throngs of the onset of said attack.

And just going by how O'Ryan was portrayed during that time, him unleashing a system wide blast that would knowingly kill untold billions just does not sit well. I know he was still quite harsh at times, but doing something like that is a bit much.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Correct he booms out after they get around to that sector.

Yes their fight destroyed the system. Based on what I saw in the oanels, the system was primarily destroyed by the golem's attack.

As far as graf's vision, it literally looks like the golem just unleashed an attack and O'Ryan in the throngs of the onset of said attack.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean Kyle literally said he cant let Orion fight the golem again because of fearing Orion and the golem fighting each other would cause a solar system level destruction 😕
https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM
And that doesnt make much sense Orion just standing there and letting the golem blast him.
Sure you can argue the golem did more damage than orion did when theyre destroying the solar system. But Orion still tanking the attacks of that golem( Who you think primarily destroyed the solar system) and evei contributing at the destruction of the system.

What I saw was golem going boom, O'Ryan fleeing at some point after getting blasted away, system gets destroyed, lanterns arrive, O'Ryan tubes back in.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would he let golem blast him? O'Ryan was battling the golem wasnt he so it makes sense he's at the vicinity of the golem.

What I saw was golem going boom, O'Ryan fleeing at some point after getting blasted away, system gets destroyed, lanterns arrive, O'Ryan tubes back in.

That is a really good title. Okay, so I read issues 26 and 27. My previous opinion has not changed. I find myself agreeing with Celey's opinion on this for the most part as I earlier mentioned.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean Kyle literally said he cant let Orion fight the golem again because of fearing Orion and the golem fighting each other would cause a solar system level destruction again😕
https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM
And that doesnt make much sense Orion just standing there and letting the golem blast him.
Sure you can argue the golem did more damage than orion did when theyre destroying the solar system. But Orion still tanking the attacks of that golem( Whom you think primarily destroyed the solar system) and even contributing at the destruction of the system.
Edit:Just saw your edited post. Like I said before he probably didnt have much choice during his fight with the golem. And tbh, I think he doesnt kill on purpose but he doesnt have too much concern about the casualties either when facing those golems. See the scan I posted. He still wants to fight the golem even though the shockwaves will destroy entire solar system.

First off, there is no evidence that Orion is doing much more than fleeing. It's clear that Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem is the one doing the blasting, and Orion is the one in flight mode. There is no evidence that suggests that this isn't something that Beta Ray Bill could not match if we were to replace him with Orion.

The rest of your claim appears to be fabricated by events that were simply absent in the story. We never saw a battle that shows Orion in pitched combat with Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem. Why are you allowing your mind to convince you of something that your eyes did not see? Celey is correct here. I'd like Leo, or any other honest poster to read Hal Jordan and the Green Lanterns issues 26 and 27. Qwertyuiop in my opinion, you are fabricating erroneous evidence of an instance or instances that are simply absent in the books that are being cited.

Did you also not admit to rarely if ever reading a Marvel comic book? I'm not seeing how this Nth Metal Golem is a larger threat than Asteroth a Beta Ray Bill foe? If what took place during Hal Jordan and the Green Lanterns issues 26 and 27 is what has lead people to automatically claim that Orion would defeat Beta Ray Bill, it isn't enough, nor should it in any way allude to the idea that Orion is above Bill. Based on their showings against similarly powerful opponents, this could go either way.

Originally posted by Stoic
First off, there is no evidence that Orion is doing much more than fleeing. It's clear that Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem is the one doing the blasting, and Orion is the one in flight mode. There is no evidence that suggest that this isn't something that Beta Ray Bill could not match if we were to replace him with Orion.

The rest of your claim appears to be fabricated by events that were simply absent in the story. We never saw a battle that shows Orion in pitched combat with Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem. Why are you allowing you mind to convince you of something that your eyes did not see. Celey is correct here. I'd like Leo, or any other honest poster to read Hal Jordan and the Green Lanterns issues 26 and 27. Qwertyuiop in my opinion, you are fabricating erroneous evidence of an instance or instances that are simply absent in the books that are being cited.

Did you also not admit to rarely if ever reading a Marvel comic book? I'm not seeing how this Nth Metal Golem is a larger threat than Asteroth a Beta Ray Bill foe? If what took place during Hal Jordan and the Green Lanterns issues 26 and 27 is what has lead people to automatically claim that Orion would defeat Beta Ray Bill, it isn't enough, nor should it in any way allude to the idea that Orion is above Bill. Based on their showings against similarly powerful opponents, this could go either way.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because kyle literally saying when Orion against the golem their shockwaves dsetroyed the entire star system?
https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM
And we literally see Hal fighting the same golem and the fight didnt have the same effect when Orion fighting it
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#4
Also my posts only focused on whether Orion and the golem's shockwaves destroyed the star system or not. How does I reading marvel comics matter to what I said?

You aren't comprehending Kyle's statement in the form of a question. Those shockwaves are clearly shown to be created by Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem. Orion is also clearly being blasted by it as well. Orion is not seen for an instant in pitched combat. The books are clearly showing the hero trying his best to survive, or stave off an attack from a superior force created to destroy him.

Originally posted by Stoic
You aren't comprehending Kyle's statement in the form of a question. Those shockwaves are clearly shown to be created by Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem. Orion is also clearly being blasted by it as well. Orion is not seen for an instant in pitched combat. The books are clearly showing the hero trying his best to survive, or stave off an attack from a superior force created to destroy him.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would he let golem blast him? O'Ryan was battling the golem wasnt he so it makes sense he's at the vicinity of the golem.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Kyle said Orion and the golem's shockwaves destroyed the star system. And you trying to argue Orion just...Standing there and letting himself be blasted by the golem?
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
I dont think Orion has this fetish 😐

If there’s no question mark then it isn’t a question. And there obviously is.

if there’s a question mark it isn’t a statement. And it obviously is, shown here: