I actually think it comes down to reflexes and who can attack first. Jean might not have Wanda's versatility, but she still has the power to do things like disintegrate opponents. And, for all her power, I don't think Wanda has showcased outright superhuman durability yet. I mean she has feats that would make her tougher than a real-life human, like this, for example:
https://i.imgur.com/amfmi26.mp4
But that's pretty standard for comic book characters. Characters like Black Widow have gotten blasted into the door of an armored vehicle hard enough to smash it off its hinges and got up unscathed.
And, as the last episode showed, Wanda is open to being mentally manipulated. But I suppose you could argue that magical compulsion and regular telepathy are different to each other.
Wanda seems pretty fast now though. IIRC, she was able to react to Tommy blitzing around at super speed in episode 6. Though, thinking about it, Jean reacted to Storm's lightning and Fox Quicksilver in Dark Phoenix IIRC.
I'm leaning towards Jean here, Wanda has a proverbial shit ton of horsepower and hax but so does Jean and have others have said Super High End Telepathy(The absolute highest in both continuity(s)).
Fox has done an extremely good job showcasing just how terrifying and helpless most are against telepathy unless your it yourself or have special equipment(i.e. Mags helmet) and MCUs closest is indeed Wanda however it's not as instantaneous(Mass suggestion of goons took a couple seconds and Super High Powered people required point blank range).
What I also thinks clinches it is that because of Amalgamation Jean gets the Fox Quicksilver speed feat which means time would be standing still even we we could scale Wanda to MCU Quicksilver.
Originally posted by McNasty996
I'm leaning towards Jean here, Wanda has a proverbial shit ton of horsepower and hax but so does Jean and have others have said Super High End Telepathy(The absolute highest in both continuity(s)).Fox has done an extremely good job showcasing just how terrifying and helpless most are against telepathy unless your it yourself or have special equipment(i.e. Mags helmet) and MCUs closest is indeed Wanda however it's not as instantaneous(Mass suggestion of goons took a couple seconds and Super High Powered people required point blank range).
What I also thinks clinches it is that because of Amalgamation Jean gets the Fox Quicksilver speed feat which means time would be standing still even we we could scale Wanda to MCU Quicksilver.
In Wandavision, Wanda pretty much took mind control of dozens of armed soldiers seemingly instantaneously.
Wanda has better mind control feats than Jean, as Jean doesn't really have any.
Wanda has controlled the entirety of Sokovia all at once.
Manipulated the Hulk.
And all of her feats in WandaVision as well.
If we're honest, FOX Jean is more of a super powerful telekinetic who also has telepathy sometimes to read minds and talk to people.
Like the only actual telepathic feat I can clearly remember is her locating Nightcrawler through his thoughts when she and Storm chased him down.
Originally posted by FrothByte
In Wandavision, Wanda pretty much took mind control of dozens of armed soldiers seemingly instantaneously.
Thats why I said it was negligible from what I can recall but it wasn't an instantaneous thing. I think in the end it'll come down to a Quickdraw as others have said and Jean has the better speed/reaction feet
Originally posted by KingD19
Wanda has better mind control feats than Jean, as Jean doesn't really have any.Wanda has controlled the entirety of Sokovia all at once.
Manipulated the Hulk.
And all of her feats in WandaVision as well.If we're honest, FOX Jean is more of a super powerful telekinetic who also has telepathy sometimes to read minds and talk to people.
Like the only actual telepathic feat I can clearly remember is her locating Nightcrawler through his thoughts when she and Storm chased him down.
I cant find many feats of control so I concede on that however she has plenty resisting attempted control(Xavier both times and Apocalypse) which would be all thats needed here(both having better Mass manipulation and memory manipulation feats).
Her control of Slovakia also took time and wasn't instantaneous(it spread through the city as people fell under it). She also did get Thor and Hulk but Thor was ambushed and Hulk was implied to be snatched up as Banner.
Wanda has better versatility and Hax and will agree on that but I don't think she gets the shot of before Jean Can do hers.
Originally posted by McNasty996
Thats why I said it was negligible from what I can recall but it wasn't an instantaneous thing. I think in the end it'll come down to a Quickdraw as others have said and Jean has the better speed/reaction feetI cant find many feats of control so I concede on that however she has plenty resisting attempted control(Xavier both times and Apocalypse) which would be all thats needed here(both having better Mass manipulation and memory manipulation feats).
Her control of Slovakia also took time and wasn't instantaneous(it spread through the city as people fell under it). She also did get Thor and Hulk but Thor was ambushed and Hulk was implied to be snatched up as Banner.
Wanda has better versatility and Hax and will agree on that but I don't think she gets the shot of before Jean Can do hers.
I wasn't implying Wanda needed to try and control Phoenix. I was pointing out how Jean nor Phoenix have ever mentally controlled anyone, so it's not something she can use against Wanda.
She's shown on screen manipulating Hulk and causing him to rampage. And I mean, ambush but it's still her mentally manipulating a God.
And during Sokovia(Slovokia is near Budapest), she was actually sending out tendrils of energy to control people. She wasn't just using telepathy straight out, so yeah it took longer as it had to physically touch people.
Originally posted by McNasty996
and Super High Powered people required point blank range
To be fair, she was a noob in her first film when this was required, and her powers have developed significantly since then, going by overall feats. Chances are this is no longer the case.
But yeah, I am still leaning towards Jean myself mainly due to being able to react to lightning and Fox Quicksilver. In comparison, Wanda's best reaction feats are grabbing her speedster son (whose speed remains un-quantified at this point), reacting to the bomb in CA:CW and, though it was offscreen, seemingly stopping a drone missile after it was fired at her at pretty much pointblank range. And while those feats are certainly nothing to scoff at, it's not quite on the same level as what Jean has done.
Originally posted by KingD19
Wanda has better mind control feats than Jean, as Jean doesn't really have any.Wanda has controlled the entirety of Sokovia all at once.
Manipulated the Hulk.
And all of her feats in WandaVision as well.If we're honest, FOX Jean is more of a super powerful telekinetic who also has telepathy sometimes to read minds and talk to people.
Like the only actual telepathic feat I can clearly remember is her locating Nightcrawler through his thoughts when she and Storm chased him down.
Jean while holding back that tide of water mind controlled someone and spoke through them right? and prevented nightcrawler from using his power to save her.
Wanda has shown zero psychic defenses, especially since in WandaVision her emotional state is compromised.
I'm not saying Jean wins, but I think yeah she could control Wanda if she is quick enough.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Let's not forget that Wanda does have shields that have a decent chance of defending against Jean's attacks. I don't believe Jean has any defense against Wanda's reality warping.
I'm curious why you think Wanda's shields have a decent chance of blocking attacks that appear to directly target an opponent's body. It's not like Jean was shooting energy beams or something. She appeared to operate a lot like Fox Legion does in that regard (who often tends to directly disintegrate/transmute his opponents), at least while she was in Phoenix mode. I don't recall Wanda ever defending against that kind of attack.