Phoenix Jean Grey vs. Wanda

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I'm curious why you think Wanda's shields have a decent chance of blocking attacks that appear to directly target an opponent's body. It's not like Jean was shooting energy beams or something. She appeared to operate a lot like Fox Legion does in that regard (who often tends to directly disintegrate/transmute his opponents), at least while she was in Phoenix mode. I don't recall Wanda ever defending against that kind of attack.

Because Wanda's attacks and shields also function similarly. She directly attacks an opponent's body and when she blocks attacks, she has been shown to block the attacks directly at some points without needing to create a physical line to herself.

Now I'm not saying for sure they'll work against Phoenix's attacks, but it's still a factor and shouldn't be completely dismissed. On the other hand, I'm trying to remember if Jean ever showcased shielding abilities.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because Wanda's attacks and shields also function similarly. She directly attacks an opponent's body and when she blocks attacks, she has been shown to block the attacks directly at some points without needing to create a physical line to herself.

Now I'm not saying for sure they'll work against Phoenix's attacks, but it's still a factor and shouldn't be completely dismissed. On the other hand, I'm trying to remember if Jean ever showcased shielding abilities.

In every instance she created shields for protection she was still making a physical energy barrier between herself and the attacks (at least that I can recall), such as with the shots from the drones in AoU, the gunfire from the Hydra mooks at the beginning of CA:CW, the blasts from Proxima's spear in IW, the cannon from Thanos' ship in Endgame etc. That's somewhat different to stopping someone directly pulling your molecules apart.

And Jean was making shields around the other X-Men during the train scene in Dark Phoenix to prevent them from getting ragdolled when she was manipulating the train, from 7:46 on.

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Not that I think those will necessarily help against a Hex wave either. Just pointing out that she has made them before.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
In every instance she created shields for protection she was still making a physical energy barrier between herself and the attacks (at least that I can recall), such as with the shots from the drones in AoU, the gunfire from the Hydra mooks at the beginning of CA:CW, the blasts from Proxima's spear in IW, the cannon from Thanos' ship in Endgame etc. That's somewhat different to stopping someone directly pulling your molecules apart.

And Jean was making shields around the other X-Men during the train scene in Dark Phoenix to prevent them from getting ragdolled when she was manipulating the train, from 7:46 on.

YouTube video

Not that I think those will necessarily help against a Hex wave either. Just pointing out that she has made them before.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Yeah.
Also like to point out that Dark Phoenix Jean can reform herself.
Even if she hesitates to attack first as she's obviously the faster one, She could definitely take Wanda's blasts .
Not so sure Jean could handle the Reality Warp though.

Yeah, for me, it's basically a quick draw, as I don't think either can actually withstand a full-powered onslaught from the other (as in full-powered disintegration blast or hex warp). And Jean has the better speed and reflex feats. That Quicksilver feat is actually really impressive considering you can see that her hand visually is moving not much slower than he is in that moment.

Jean destroying a planet or overpowering Magneto and Apocalypse both city and planetary level respectively are beyond anything Wands is capable of

She oneshots

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, for me, it's basically a quick draw, as I don't think either can actually withstand a full-powered onslaught from the other (as in full-powered disintegration blast or hex warp). And Jean has the better speed and reflex feats. That Quicksilver feat is actually really impressive considering you can see that her hand visually is moving not much slower than he is in that moment.

Also do you have any instance how Wanda could use her Warp offensively on Jean ... Would She like transmute Jean or something? Is she capable of wiping someone completely out of existence.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Although I'm thinking couldn't Jean simply reform from Wanda's full powered disintegration blasts as we know She can reform.
I'm not so sure but what about that explosion in space where Jean got the Phoenix. She took it pretty well and Healed up pretty good iirc.

Also do you have any instance how Wanda could use her Warp offensively on Jean ... Would She like transmute Jean or something? Is she capable of wiping someone completely out of existence.

Honestly, it's hard to define the limits of what Wanda can do. The last episode finally confirmed that she not only created the hex bubble and her kids, but is depicted as having created

Spoiler:
the version of Vision that we see there as well. She's shown literally forming him out of magical energy she projects from her body.

Spoiler:
she does indeed use chaos magic (and that the Mind Stone simplify amplified her natural magical potential) and is actually called "the Scarlet Witch" for the first time in the MCU.

Not that any of it matters IMO. Jean is still way faster and Wanda, despite her immense power, still has base human durability as far as we know.